Lakes Bro on its belly in DEN
07-07-2009, 12:38 PM
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Don't we all verify gear handle down before turning electrical on? I was taught that day one with re-tracts.
07-07-2009, 02:38 PM
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remember I said (verify mx didnt leave it up)...like I said embarrassing mistake most likely a contributing factor being in a hurry. Plane just came out of mx so I assume they were already delayed.
07-07-2009, 04:20 PM
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SkyWest geared up a Bro on the ground in PSP a few months ago... similar to this situation. MX was swinging the gear after doing some repairs/inspection. The last part of the procedure requires a manual free-fall, in which the gear handle is placed in the UP position (so you can see all disagreement/down-locked indications). Well, after they did it, they allegedly forgot to put the handle down. The following morning when it was time to reposition the plane from the hanger to the gate, MX hoped in the plane, flowed the switches, fired up the APU, time to close the door... what? No juice? Flip on the hydraulic pump and BOOM... up goes the gear. Originally they were going to part it out but now they're apparently rebuilding it (can you say "time-and-a-half). It may have been 232SW. It hasn't flown for months and isn't scheduled to return to service until January. Why can't they get rid of pigs like that when it comes to deciding which "Bro's" go.
07-07-2009, 04:24 PM
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Looks like the old girl was just tired and needed to lay down for a bit.
07-07-2009, 04:58 PM
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Wow, a gear up at the gate.
Did they foam the tarmac?
Did they foam the tarmac?
07-07-2009, 05:39 PM
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Then DEN had a ground stop.
07-07-2009, 10:00 PM
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I couldn't help but think of Peter Griffin in the airplane looking at the "DO NOT PULL" sign next to the emergency exit door of the plane... Did some young FO succumb to a pang of curiosity and tug on the gear lever?
07-07-2009, 10:37 PM
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Skywest has a "Landing Gear Lever... DOWN" step on their initial power up checklist for the Brasilia, also. Somebody didn't power the aircraft up correctly. I'm guessing he/she ran the hydraulics for a second to suck the gear doors up, and they got a little more than they planned for!
07-08-2009, 06:39 AM
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Correct but you still need hydraulics and we don't turn them on until after the engines have been started. Unless we are doing the first flight rudder check but at SKW 99.99% of the time only the CA’s do the FFOD Originating Check and IF we let the FO’s do it we are there observing so they get it right. It’s a very long series of systems checks and FO’s just don’t do them that often, they’re plates are already full in the morning.
BTW, do you Lakers turn the hydraulics on after you start the APU? Why? You don’t need them unless you drop the parking/emergency brake? Or maybe he was trying to suck the Hydraulic Gear doors back up.
BTW, do you Lakers turn the hydraulics on after you start the APU? Why? You don’t need them unless you drop the parking/emergency brake? Or maybe he was trying to suck the Hydraulic Gear doors back up.
It may have been the first flight of the day because MX was working on it. Or they might have turned the pump on because of the main door or gear doors. The Acceptance checklist (also done by the FO) calls to check that the gear is down before powering up the APU.
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