FAA to take YEARS for new safety rules
06-23-2009, 08:17 PM
#22
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Stop Watching Monty Python.
You have no frame of reference here, Donny.
06-24-2009, 05:24 PM
#23
Day puke
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Ha! I have really enjoyed reading the numerous posts y'all have made since the Colgan crash about duty-times...coming out of the safest period of time in Airline history, y'all are trying to say that current regs have airplanes falling out of the sky? DING DING Marvin Renslow was a crappy Pilot and Shaw did nothing to help the matter. They both failed inexcusably, and it had nothing to do with tired nerves. It is terribly clear that neither should have ever been allowed inside a 121 cockpit.
If you take care of yourself, a 16 hour day is nothing. It's fatiguing, if done all the time, but if you can't handle a couple of long days sitting on your butt, then I call you Sallies. That's right.
And to those of you who think tougher government regs and rules are going to increase your QOL, take the blind-folds off!! Jeeeezus tell me when just one restriction the gov't has imposed on you has done you any good.
Might as well turn the U.S. into a semi-socialist state...seems it's the only way some of you will be happy!
If you take care of yourself, a 16 hour day is nothing. It's fatiguing, if done all the time, but if you can't handle a couple of long days sitting on your butt, then I call you Sallies. That's right.
And to those of you who think tougher government regs and rules are going to increase your QOL, take the blind-folds off!! Jeeeezus tell me when just one restriction the gov't has imposed on you has done you any good.
Might as well turn the U.S. into a semi-socialist state...seems it's the only way some of you will be happy!
If 16 hours isn't so bad, why not make 8 hours normal rest? In fact, why have ANY regulation requiring rest? Heck, let's eliminate all the "semi-socialist" restrictions: No more required training, no more 250 minimum flight time, no more required aircraft mx.
VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
06-24-2009, 05:52 PM
#24
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as an aside
Last time through recurrent they told us studies showed 16 hours of being awake (not on duty, just awake) has the same effect on reasoning and response time as a .08 BAC.
06-24-2009, 06:08 PM
#25
Tuk er jerbs!
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You're not working hard enough if you consider 16 hour days to be easy. Come out here and fly by yourself in hardball IFR, pushing 8 hours of block on a 16 hour duty day, and then tell me it's safe.
06-24-2009, 10:22 PM
#26
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Ha! I have really enjoyed reading the numerous posts y'all have made since the Colgan crash about duty-times...coming out of the safest period of time in Airline history, y'all are trying to say that current regs have airplanes falling out of the sky? DING DING Marvin Renslow was a crappy Pilot and Shaw did nothing to help the matter. They both failed inexcusably, and it had nothing to do with tired nerves. It is terribly clear that neither should have ever been allowed inside a 121 cockpit.
If you take care of yourself, a 16 hour day is nothing. It's fatiguing, if done all the time, but if you can't handle a couple of long days sitting on your butt, then I call you Sallies. That's right.
And to those of you who think tougher government regs and rules are going to increase your QOL, take the blind-folds off!! Jeeeezus tell me when just one restriction the gov't has imposed on you has done you any good.
Might as well turn the U.S. into a semi-socialist state...seems it's the only way some of you will be happy!
If you take care of yourself, a 16 hour day is nothing. It's fatiguing, if done all the time, but if you can't handle a couple of long days sitting on your butt, then I call you Sallies. That's right.
And to those of you who think tougher government regs and rules are going to increase your QOL, take the blind-folds off!! Jeeeezus tell me when just one restriction the gov't has imposed on you has done you any good.
Might as well turn the U.S. into a semi-socialist state...seems it's the only way some of you will be happy!
WOW! Your lack of perspective is truly shocking. I hear that there are a few flying jobs in Africa -- should be right up your alley. No rules, no government intervention, no pesky safety systems, etc. Good luck!
06-24-2009, 10:36 PM
#27
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I don't know about you guys, but 16 hour days aren't the problem. I do get annoyed, however, when I only earn 6 payed hours after a 16 hour duty day. Lame.
06-24-2009, 11:33 PM
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-Car Speed limit laws: People can't smash into me at 140 miles per
hour.
-Laws against drug possession and use: Helps ensure people don't get high on meth or crack, and smash me in the head with a bottle.
-Laws against drinking and driving: People can't get drunk and smash into me.
hour.
-Laws against drug possession and use: Helps ensure people don't get high on meth or crack, and smash me in the head with a bottle.
-Laws against drinking and driving: People can't get drunk and smash into me.
People speed and crash, laws or not. Drunk drivers don't care about laws. Sure, an argument can be made that speed limits and DUI laws prevent an everyday Joe with generally good judgment from speeding and DUI. However, it certainly doesn't "ensure" anything.
As for crack/meth addicts, drug laws don't prevent anything.....zilch, zip, notta. An addict is an addict and their addiction takes priority. For recreational and medicinal users of other banned substances, the laws don't matter either. This is why drugs should be legalized, or at least decriminalized, but that's another thread.
06-25-2009, 12:40 AM
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In which fantasy world do you live? Yeah, you're generally correct about FAR's. However;
People speed and crash, laws or not. Drunk drivers don't care about laws. Sure, an argument can be made that speed limits and DUI laws prevent an everyday Joe with generally good judgment from speeding and DUI. However, it certainly doesn't "ensure" anything.
As for crack/meth addicts, drug laws don't prevent anything.....zilch, zip, notta. An addict is an addict and their addiction takes priority. For recreational and medicinal users of other banned substances, the laws don't matter either. This is why drugs should be legalized, or at least decriminalized, but that's another thread.
People speed and crash, laws or not. Drunk drivers don't care about laws. Sure, an argument can be made that speed limits and DUI laws prevent an everyday Joe with generally good judgment from speeding and DUI. However, it certainly doesn't "ensure" anything.
As for crack/meth addicts, drug laws don't prevent anything.....zilch, zip, notta. An addict is an addict and their addiction takes priority. For recreational and medicinal users of other banned substances, the laws don't matter either. This is why drugs should be legalized, or at least decriminalized, but that's another thread.
06-25-2009, 02:28 AM
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Are you advocating anarchy??? Laws are in place to help prevent certain actions. The result of certain "undesirable actions" is jail/ imprisonment/ loss of privileges/ loss of licensing/ community service/ etc. People, generally, obey speed limit laws (within 20 mph). People, generally, don't drink and drive. People, generally, don't do illegal drugs. The way our system is set up, people don't perform these "undesirable actions", for fear of the negative consequences of performing them. If you feel there is a better way, that is you opinion. But, the American justice system is specifically set up to punish people for "undesirable actions", whether or not the punishment helps prevent the "undesirable action". I, personally, feel that the system is such that MOST people don't perform "undesirable actions", even though some, unfortunately, do.
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