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Old 06-23-2009, 10:39 AM
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its moving at the speed of government...

please dont tell me you are suprised...
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Old 06-23-2009, 11:14 AM
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A pay increase mandate by the government will have a negative impact on all pilots except 1st. year FO’s. I guarantee you that any minimum wage will only cover 1st year pay. The airlines will agree to the minimum wage, but good luck on contract negotiations for the rest of the pay scale. That means increase in pay for 1st. year FO’s at the expense of the rest of the pilots. It’s not a good idea. We; pilots and unions have to fight for pay.
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Less duty time does not equate to less flight time and less pay. It means that the airlines have to be a little smarter coming up with more efficient schedule. A revamp of the duty time might result in a reduced duty period, more flight time, and more pay.
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Old 06-23-2009, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Outlaw2097
its moving at the speed of government...

please dont tell me you are suprised...
Its moving at the speed of the FAA.

These days our government is moving a little too quickly for comfort.
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Old 06-23-2009, 02:34 PM
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Wow, I didn't think the new administrator could be bought that fast. The ATA really knows how to, ah, "manage," the FAA, don't they.

Now that the congressional theatrics and fake righteous indignation is over about abuses by airline executives and the funerals are completed, it's back to "business as usual," . . . . as usual.
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Old 06-23-2009, 03:24 PM
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Less duty time does not equate to less flight time and less pay. It means that the airlines have to be a little smarter comin. g up with more efficient schedule. A revamp of the duty time might result in a reduced duty period, more flight time, and more pay.
Exactly. They don't have to schedule efficiently, so they don't. You're working for free during those 5 hour mid-sequence "productivity breaks." The airline execs would want you on the hook 24/7 if they could. Unfortunately they almost do thanks to the cozy relationship with the FAA.

If you doubt it, the Whitlow ruling restricted duty times for domestic reserve crews, yet if you are an international reserve you are available 24 hours a day for 6 days in a row. Same level of safety? Not hardly, thanks to the FAA.
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Ha! I have really enjoyed reading the numerous posts y'all have made since the Colgan crash about duty-times...coming out of the safest period of time in Airline history, y'all are trying to say that current regs have airplanes falling out of the sky? DING DING Marvin Renslow was a crappy Pilot and Shaw did nothing to help the matter. They both failed inexcusably, and it had nothing to do with tired nerves. It is terribly clear that neither should have ever been allowed inside a 121 cockpit.

If you take care of yourself, a 16 hour day is nothing. It's fatiguing, if done all the time, but if you can't handle a couple of long days sitting on your butt, then I call you Sallies. That's right.

And to those of you who think tougher government regs and rules are going to increase your QOL, take the blind-folds off!! Jeeeezus tell me when just one restriction the gov't has imposed on you has done you any good.

Might as well turn the U.S. into a semi-socialist state...seems it's the only way some of you will be happy!
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Originally Posted by flycrj200
Less duty time does not equate to less flight time and less pay. It means that the airlines have to be a little smarter coming up with more efficient schedule. A revamp of the duty time might result in a reduced duty period, more flight time, and more pay.
You're giving the airlines waaay to much credit for thinking they would be smarter/more efficient in their scheduling practices.
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.....Jeeeezus tell me when just one restriction the gov't has imposed on you has done you any good....
-Car Speed limit laws: People can't smash into me at 140 miles per
hour.

-Laws against drug possession and use: Helps ensure people don't get high on meth or crack, and smash me in the head with a bottle.

-Laws against drinking and driving: People can't get drunk and smash into me.

-ATC minimum spacing requirements: Keeps other airplanes from smashing into me.

-Instrument Flight Rules: Allows me to fly an airplane in the clouds without smashing into things

-Instrument Approach Procedure: Allows me to land an airplane without smashing into anything.

-Aircraft right of way rules- Keeps other aircraft from cutting me off, or smashing into me.

-Minimum experience requirements for Private Pilot License: Ensures I can't pack an aircraft full of people with zero flight hours, and smash it into something.

-Positive ATC control in Class A Airspace: Ensures I don't smash into anyone, and no one smashes into me.

-Minimum IFR Altitudes: Ensures I don't smash into a mountain.

-Minimum Rest Requirements: Helps ensure I fly with a certain amount of rest, to help keep me from flying fatigued and smashing into things.

-Etc., etc., etc....

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Old 06-23-2009, 06:02 PM
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"All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?"
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