New Pass Travel Program for 9E
06-20-2009, 08:45 AM
#21
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It should also be mentioned that thanks to the new policy, we can only take one international flight on Delta per year. This includes jumpseating. Basically someone working at another airline can jumpseat on DL overseas as much as they want to, but we can only do it once.
06-20-2009, 08:52 AM
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Except that the Delta gate agents who I've run into don't understand the concept of jumpseating in the back. I used an international travel day jumpseating on Delta because the gate agent said, "you can't sit up front I have to move you to a non-rev listing in back".....
Obviously no one cares about the contract lifters at Delta Air Lines. Since this is the case, you Delta guys should just take back the flying. The merger is the worst thing that could have happened for companies and their employees as regional feed.
When are you going to come to the realization that Pinnacle and the other regionals are not real airlines. They are small jet providers. They are merely outsourced contractors providing a service to the "real" airline . . . Delta.
Pinnacle does not fly in it's own livery, sell it's own tickets, etc. Don't expect to be treated like Delta employees. If you want specific non-rev privileges, then make then contractural in your labor contract.
Pinnacle does not fly in it's own livery, sell it's own tickets, etc. Don't expect to be treated like Delta employees. If you want specific non-rev privileges, then make then contractural in your labor contract.
06-20-2009, 08:59 AM
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[/quote] "....Obviously no one cares about the contract lifters at Delta Air Lines. Since this is the case, you Delta guys should just take back the flying. The merger is the worst thing that could have happened for companies and their employees as regional feed.[/quote]
Second that!
Second that!
06-20-2009, 09:12 AM
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No one is asking to be treated like a Delta employee. What sucks is that we are taking a giant step backwards from the flight bennies we enjoyed when we were NWA "outsourced contractors." Why can't Delta do the same?
Retaining our existing benefits would scarcely inconvenience most Delta employees. And what an arrogant, facetious argument that if we want "specific non-rev privileges" we should just negotiate it. Delta management controls what we they with their seat inventory through their capacity agreements with the regionals. Our labor contracts have nothing to do with it.
We're not asking for any sort of preferential treatment or increase in benefits beyond what we previously had. But you guys have the attitude of "we got ours -- too bad for you."
06-20-2009, 09:16 AM
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I don't think you'd get much argument from the mainline pilots to the idea of taking back the flying. Fully half, if not more than 60% support the idea of recapturing the flying. The trick is recovering it without gutting pay and workrules to achieve it.
The merger was never about making things better for mainline employees, let alone regional feeders. It was about maximizing share price for shareholders and "helping" out senior managers. Labor is the muck on the bottom of their shoe, and regional labor is the gunk on that muck.
06-20-2009, 11:10 AM
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wow...hard to believe this is the last weekend to enjoy the flight benefits we once had under NWA. Beginning next week, it'll be a different ball game.
I had the benefit of flying upperdeck of a 747 recently and sat there and thought "only 1 time per year will I be able to do this internationnaly from this point on..and IF seats are available in WBC at that particular time I fly"..
I know this has been beaten already but it's just really sad the way Delta is treating Pinnacle - we're THE LOWEST paid of all regionals and we have to PAY MORE for our parents to fly (Zed High), we lose our buddy passes, we're being limited on transoceanic passes (a whopping "3" per YEAR) and, depending on seniority now, we will be boarding behind a Compass employee's parent on our own aircraft.
Did Uncle Phil really have the option of having a better flight benefit program for Pinnacle and turn it down 'coz of costs????
Yeah I know it's better than nothing but absolutely nothing compared to what we had.
I had the benefit of flying upperdeck of a 747 recently and sat there and thought "only 1 time per year will I be able to do this internationnaly from this point on..and IF seats are available in WBC at that particular time I fly"..
I know this has been beaten already but it's just really sad the way Delta is treating Pinnacle - we're THE LOWEST paid of all regionals and we have to PAY MORE for our parents to fly (Zed High), we lose our buddy passes, we're being limited on transoceanic passes (a whopping "3" per YEAR)
and, depending on seniority now, we will be boarding behind a Compass employee's parent on our own aircraft. Did Uncle Phil really have the option of having a better flight benefit program for Pinnacle and turn it down 'coz of costs????
Yeah I know it's better than nothing but absolutely nothing compared to what we had.
to start I sort of sympathize with the plight, but need to point out a few things that I think you are missing.
I had the benefit of flying upperdeck
only 1 time per year will I be able to do this internationnaly from this point on
Did Uncle Phil really have the option of having a better flight benefit program for Pinnacle and turn it down 'coz of costs????
Yeah I know it's better than nothing but absolutely nothing compared to what we had.
this is the one thing that always amazes me with guys on he way out the door at 9E, they still want to give that 150%. Then I ask them how much the company gave them, the look is always priceless.
06-20-2009, 02:33 PM
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When are you going to come to the realization that Pinnacle and the other regionals are not real airlines. They are small jet providers. They are merely outsourced contractors providing a service to the "real" airline . . . Delta.
Pinnacle does not fly in it's own livery, sell it's own tickets, etc. Don't expect to be treated like Delta employees. If you want specific non-rev privileges, then make then contractural in your labor contract.
Pinnacle does not fly in it's own livery, sell it's own tickets, etc. Don't expect to be treated like Delta employees. If you want specific non-rev privileges, then make then contractural in your labor contract.
If it wasn't for the 900 Pinnacle wouldn't even be a JET PROVIDER....The 200 belong to DAL. DAL has the option to repossess the 200 anytime they wish...NWA repo-ed 15 to 20 two years ago as a way to slap Pinnacles management for it's inability to get a contract signed with the pilots.
What could Pinnacle do with 16 900 if DAL took back the 200's????...not much...I don't think that there is a mainline company who would pick 9E up with the current economy.
06-21-2009, 01:16 PM
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If it wasn't for the 900 Pinnacle wouldn't even be a JET PROVIDER....The 200 belong to DAL. DAL has the option to repossess the 200 anytime they wish...NWA repo-ed 15 to 20 two years ago as a way to slap Pinnacles management for it's inability to get a contract signed with the pilots.
The 17 -200s which were transferred to Mesaba were covered by a specific clause which allowed NWA to do so if a pilot contract was not signed by March 31, 2007.
06-21-2009, 01:34 PM
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Completely untrue. The ten-year Air Service Agreement NWA signed in 2006 (which DAL now has to abide by) provides almost no recourse for DAL to reduce the number of -200s other than swapping them 2-for-1 for 76-seaters. And they certainly cannot remove -200s "anytime they wish."
The 17 -200s which were transferred to Mesaba were covered by a specific clause which allowed NWA to do so if a pilot contract was not signed by March 31, 2007.
The 17 -200s which were transferred to Mesaba were covered by a specific clause which allowed NWA to do so if a pilot contract was not signed by March 31, 2007.
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