We cant live like this!Tommorow is our D-DAY!
06-14-2009, 07:18 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Reclined
Posts: 2,168
You don't have to screw your passengers in order to "stick it" to management.
Step #1 - Write up everything that breaks, when it breaks.
Step #2 - Call times as they really are (if no ACARS)
Step #3 - STOP USING YOUR CELL PHONE FOR COMPANY BUSINESS
Step #4 - see step #3
Step #5 - Get some unity
Step #6 - Repeat steps 1-5
Step #1 - Write up everything that breaks, when it breaks.
Step #2 - Call times as they really are (if no ACARS)
Step #3 - STOP USING YOUR CELL PHONE FOR COMPANY BUSINESS
Step #4 - see step #3
Step #5 - Get some unity
Step #6 - Repeat steps 1-5
Do not forget, that if your contract covers it, you are entitled to a meal break, even if it means delaying a flight... this also covers the perverbial rest room call.... no need to fly fast to get a few extra minutes for those activities.... if it's in your contract, just do it.
Last edited by Mason32; 06-14-2009 at 07:36 PM.
06-14-2009, 08:02 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: 747 FO
Posts: 937
This is the stupidest proposition I have ever heard.
Why would you intentionally make everything harder for yourself, passegers and management. This will only provide negative attention to yourself. Not to mention we are required by law to abide by our SOP's and doing anything outside of our SOP's would be illegal and potentially dangerous. If you are trying to start a revolution, do it smartly. By the way they already know how much "power" we have as pilots, which is exactly outlined in our company policies.
Don't be an idiot!
Why would you intentionally make everything harder for yourself, passegers and management. This will only provide negative attention to yourself. Not to mention we are required by law to abide by our SOP's and doing anything outside of our SOP's would be illegal and potentially dangerous. If you are trying to start a revolution, do it smartly. By the way they already know how much "power" we have as pilots, which is exactly outlined in our company policies.
Don't be an idiot!
Nothing in his post said anything about making anything harder for anyone. Nothing was mentioned about operating outside of the SOP's....as a matter of fact, the post advocated operating strictly by the SOP's. You either missed the point or you're trying to obfuscate because you're a member of management.
Don't be an idiot!
06-14-2009, 08:12 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: 747 FO
Posts: 937
Air Wisconsin
American Eagle
ASA
Colgan
Comair
Compass
Expressjet
Horizon
Mesa
Mesaba
Piedmont
Pinnacle
PSA
Republic
Skywest
TSA
In the very principle from which you think you're coming, they're all the same. You're being a hypocrite. Don't be a hypocrite.
Last edited by Zapata; 06-14-2009 at 09:05 PM.
06-14-2009, 09:09 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 51
I wouldn't blame the airlines for your pay.. it's the way the American travelers are and it's the way the government is.
Ever since deregulation, legacy carriers have shut down because they can't compete with the lower-pay-for-the-same-job as the regionals. In my opinion, this is basically what started it all. Ever since then, more and more regionals are starting up as feeder airlines operating under contract won by offering the lowest bid to the major airline. Because Americans don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a flight, it forced airlines to lower ticket costs or bite the dust. Airlines lowered ticket prices and thus reduced its expenses, and who takes the first paycuts? The employees... from flight attendants, mechanics, ramp agents, pilots... but it's not enough.
Companies like GoJet, Mesa.. they all bid so low that of course Delta is going to go with them.. if they don't perform, Delta just charges the contractor fines and fees... and since the regional got the lowest bid they don't have much cash to spare anyways.. hence why their employees make such low wages. Pilots who try to unite for a pay increase only make other departments demand an increase as well.. but not one airline has grown a money tree.. it runs out eventually.
The only thing that can probably fix regional airline pay for you as an individual is to put up with it for as long as you can, do what you can to get by, and hope for the best that the economy is going to pick up again and you have enough experience and a positive attitude to get hired by a major airline. Regional pay will never increase. They can't afford it. They'll go bankrupt and liquidate all their assets long before they pay their employees decently. That's just how it is. People who can't adapt to that change won't make it.
Ever since deregulation, legacy carriers have shut down because they can't compete with the lower-pay-for-the-same-job as the regionals. In my opinion, this is basically what started it all. Ever since then, more and more regionals are starting up as feeder airlines operating under contract won by offering the lowest bid to the major airline. Because Americans don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a flight, it forced airlines to lower ticket costs or bite the dust. Airlines lowered ticket prices and thus reduced its expenses, and who takes the first paycuts? The employees... from flight attendants, mechanics, ramp agents, pilots... but it's not enough.
Companies like GoJet, Mesa.. they all bid so low that of course Delta is going to go with them.. if they don't perform, Delta just charges the contractor fines and fees... and since the regional got the lowest bid they don't have much cash to spare anyways.. hence why their employees make such low wages. Pilots who try to unite for a pay increase only make other departments demand an increase as well.. but not one airline has grown a money tree.. it runs out eventually.
The only thing that can probably fix regional airline pay for you as an individual is to put up with it for as long as you can, do what you can to get by, and hope for the best that the economy is going to pick up again and you have enough experience and a positive attitude to get hired by a major airline. Regional pay will never increase. They can't afford it. They'll go bankrupt and liquidate all their assets long before they pay their employees decently. That's just how it is. People who can't adapt to that change won't make it.
06-14-2009, 09:44 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 161
I wouldn't blame the airlines for your pay.. it's the way the American travelers are and it's the way the government is.
Ever since deregulation, legacy carriers have shut down because they can't compete with the lower-pay-for-the-same-job as the regionals. In my opinion, this is basically what started it all. Ever since then, more and more regionals are starting up as feeder airlines operating under contract won by offering the lowest bid to the major airline. Because Americans don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a flight, it forced airlines to lower ticket costs or bite the dust. Airlines lowered ticket prices and thus reduced its expenses, and who takes the first paycuts? The employees... from flight attendants, mechanics, ramp agents, pilots... but it's not enough.
Companies like GoJet, Mesa.. they all bid so low that of course Delta is going to go with them.. if they don't perform, Delta just charges the contractor fines and fees... and since the regional got the lowest bid they don't have much cash to spare anyways.. hence why their employees make such low wages. Pilots who try to unite for a pay increase only make other departments demand an increase as well.. but not one airline has grown a money tree.. it runs out eventually.
The only thing that can probably fix regional airline pay for you as an individual is to put up with it for as long as you can, do what you can to get by, and hope for the best that the economy is going to pick up again and you have enough experience and a positive attitude to get hired by a major airline. Regional pay will never increase. They can't afford it. They'll go bankrupt and liquidate all their assets long before they pay their employees decently. That's just how it is. People who can't adapt to that change won't make it.
Ever since deregulation, legacy carriers have shut down because they can't compete with the lower-pay-for-the-same-job as the regionals. In my opinion, this is basically what started it all. Ever since then, more and more regionals are starting up as feeder airlines operating under contract won by offering the lowest bid to the major airline. Because Americans don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a flight, it forced airlines to lower ticket costs or bite the dust. Airlines lowered ticket prices and thus reduced its expenses, and who takes the first paycuts? The employees... from flight attendants, mechanics, ramp agents, pilots... but it's not enough.
Companies like GoJet, Mesa.. they all bid so low that of course Delta is going to go with them.. if they don't perform, Delta just charges the contractor fines and fees... and since the regional got the lowest bid they don't have much cash to spare anyways.. hence why their employees make such low wages. Pilots who try to unite for a pay increase only make other departments demand an increase as well.. but not one airline has grown a money tree.. it runs out eventually.
The only thing that can probably fix regional airline pay for you as an individual is to put up with it for as long as you can, do what you can to get by, and hope for the best that the economy is going to pick up again and you have enough experience and a positive attitude to get hired by a major airline. Regional pay will never increase. They can't afford it. They'll go bankrupt and liquidate all their assets long before they pay their employees decently. That's just how it is. People who can't adapt to that change won't make it.
06-16-2009, 10:56 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: HS125
Posts: 194
Another way to take away.
We are pilots, not economists!Start the apu when you get on board!-We never get a fuel savings rebate! Report maintenance when it happens!-NO waiting to get back to base(if it happens in canada, its stays in canada!).Fly Slow, Walk Slow, answer your phone only when the trip is over!
We can't live like this! We are destoying our own futures!
Its destroying flying for the future by just sitting there and letting management run their companies into shallow water while searching for a profit.
Its time to take control-They must know how much power we have!
If your captain or F/O doesnt want to change , when its your leg to fly you fly it how you want to fly it. Block to Block no less! Your getting paid for it anyway why shorten it. You are just sitting there anyway! We must unite and get this done.
We are pilots, not economists!Start the apu when you get on board!-We never get a fuel savings rebate! Report maintenance when it happens!-NO waiting to get back to base(if it happens in canada, its stays in canada!).Fly Slow, Walk Slow, answer your phone only when the trip is over!
We can't live like this! We are destoying our own futures!
Its destroying flying for the future by just sitting there and letting management run their companies into shallow water while searching for a profit.
Its time to take control-They must know how much power we have!
If your captain or F/O doesnt want to change , when its your leg to fly you fly it how you want to fly it. Block to Block no less! Your getting paid for it anyway why shorten it. You are just sitting there anyway! We must unite and get this done.
is this guy for real? lawl
06-16-2009, 11:16 AM
#30
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Beech 1900D
Posts: 280
I wouldn't blame the airlines for your pay.. it's the way the American travelers are and it's the way the government is.
Ever since deregulation, legacy carriers have shut down because they can't compete with the lower-pay-for-the-same-job as the regionals. In my opinion, this is basically what started it all. Ever since then, more and more regionals are starting up as feeder airlines operating under contract won by offering the lowest bid to the major airline. Because Americans don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a flight, it forced airlines to lower ticket costs or bite the dust. Airlines lowered ticket prices and thus reduced its expenses, and who takes the first paycuts? The employees... from flight attendants, mechanics, ramp agents, pilots... but it's not enough.
Companies like GoJet, Mesa.. they all bid so low that of course Delta is going to go with them.. if they don't perform, Delta just charges the contractor fines and fees... and since the regional got the lowest bid they don't have much cash to spare anyways.. hence why their employees make such low wages. Pilots who try to unite for a pay increase only make other departments demand an increase as well.. but not one airline has grown a money tree.. it runs out eventually.
The only thing that can probably fix regional airline pay for you as an individual is to put up with it for as long as you can, do what you can to get by, and hope for the best that the economy is going to pick up again and you have enough experience and a positive attitude to get hired by a major airline. Regional pay will never increase. They can't afford it. They'll go bankrupt and liquidate all their assets long before they pay their employees decently. That's just how it is. People who can't adapt to that change won't make it.
Ever since deregulation, legacy carriers have shut down because they can't compete with the lower-pay-for-the-same-job as the regionals. In my opinion, this is basically what started it all. Ever since then, more and more regionals are starting up as feeder airlines operating under contract won by offering the lowest bid to the major airline. Because Americans don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a flight, it forced airlines to lower ticket costs or bite the dust. Airlines lowered ticket prices and thus reduced its expenses, and who takes the first paycuts? The employees... from flight attendants, mechanics, ramp agents, pilots... but it's not enough.
Companies like GoJet, Mesa.. they all bid so low that of course Delta is going to go with them.. if they don't perform, Delta just charges the contractor fines and fees... and since the regional got the lowest bid they don't have much cash to spare anyways.. hence why their employees make such low wages. Pilots who try to unite for a pay increase only make other departments demand an increase as well.. but not one airline has grown a money tree.. it runs out eventually.
The only thing that can probably fix regional airline pay for you as an individual is to put up with it for as long as you can, do what you can to get by, and hope for the best that the economy is going to pick up again and you have enough experience and a positive attitude to get hired by a major airline. Regional pay will never increase. They can't afford it. They'll go bankrupt and liquidate all their assets long before they pay their employees decently. That's just how it is. People who can't adapt to that change won't make it.
Last edited by 1900luxuryliner; 06-16-2009 at 11:39 AM. Reason: clarity
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