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Old 06-10-2009, 06:50 PM
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Im about to be on 18 hrs. rest.......with a 5:30am van. Personally I dont see a difference between this situation vs. a reduced rest overnight, either way I will sleep 6 hours. I dont really see what were supposed to do about rest, and I agree with previous posts, just fix our QOL with pay and days off and we will complain and be on the news a little less.
Haha well said...I'll get 5 hours of sleep myself, whether on a reduced-rest overnight or a 32-hour marathon!
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Old 06-10-2009, 07:00 PM
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14/10 will not decimate your schedules.

If anything, allowing up to 10 hours of block in a maximum 14 hour duty day will make your days MORE productive, giving you MORE time off.
Agreed there for sure...and I would love to see something more like that -- my post was more in reference to those others calling for more draconian work regs...
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Old 06-10-2009, 07:38 PM
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That's rough, but were you unsafe to fly?

Most likely. But too afraid to get fired in this job climate to call in fatigue. Hate to get a target on my back. At least i'm honest.
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Old 06-10-2009, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBills
Im about to be on 18 hrs. rest.......with a 5:30am van. Personally I dont see a difference between this situation vs. a reduced rest overnight, either way I will sleep 6 hours. I dont really see what were supposed to do about rest, and I agree with previous posts, just fix our QOL with pay and days off and we will complain and be on the news a little less.
Take a melatonin, its natural and will put you to sleep in an hour.....really helps when you try to go to bed at 5 pm!
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Old 06-11-2009, 02:09 AM
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Most likely. But too afraid to get fired in this job climate to call in fatigue. Hate to get a target on my back. At least i'm honest.
what company do you work for? At Expressjet a fatigue call is now handled via the ASAP program, so no disciplinary action will take action from the Cheifs, they actually have nothing to do with it
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Old 06-11-2009, 04:01 AM
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Many people actually live on 4 and 5 hours of sleep, every night (my grandmother has been doing it for longer than I've been alive); some simply need more sleep than others. You and I and the next guy are all different...That is fact, not opinion. Now I say that in the most respectful kind of way, because generally I agree with you. Just not this time LoL
No disrespect, but does your grandmother strap a 100,000 lb. piece of aluminum filled with 150 people to her backside and fly it 8 hrs per day, in high density areas, at night, in all types of weather with just 4-5 hours of sleep?

Again, no disrespect, but most people I know (young and old) cannot safely operate on just 4-5 hours of sleep. I can't tell you how many times I've looked over and seen my crew member reading the back of his eyelids 30 minutes into a flight because he didn't get enough sleep!
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Originally Posted by F9er
Take a melatonin, its natural and will put you to sleep in an hour.....really helps when you try to go to bed at 5 pm!
Are there any side effects with this? Am i going to pee myself in my sleep because im so tired. I heard a flight attendant on the bus talk about that cause she had used ambian for the first time, and that was her experience. Where do I get it?
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
what company do you work for? At Expressjet a fatigue call is now handled via the ASAP program, so no disciplinary action will take action from the Cheifs, they actually have nothing to do with it
I think he works for, who else, mesa. That sort of schedule in a CRJ sounds familiar...
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Are there any side effects with this? Am i going to pee myself in my sleep because im so tired. I heard a flight attendant on the bus talk about that cause she had used ambian for the first time, and that was her experience. Where do I get it?
I have not had any side effects...other than a good night's sleep. But you need 8 hours from the time you take the pill. Otherwise you will be groggy.

I'm not certain about FAA legality for melotonin. It's a supplement, so I'm not sure if they have rules about that, or would care.
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If 14/10 makes for a safe Archer pilot, then 14/10 seems like a no brainer for a 121 pilot.
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