Ratherbeoffwork

You shouldn't be posting on this board. Unbelievable!

ToiletDuck

AWAC isn't RAH. RAH runs the airline extremely lean. Had their been junior manning here life as we know it would suck.

Kenny

Not sure but I think you missed the point. First off I know RAH isn't AWAC, thank God. Secondly, Junior Manning actually allows management to run with less than adequate crews, as evidenced by AWAC's CEO stating that unless we were junior manning, we were over-staffed. However the fact that RAH uses PBS, probably negates most of the pro's of mgt being able to junior man.

The main point was that while many may want to get rid of Junior Manning at AWAC, being paid 100% for dead heads and CX's is far more important, as it affects us all.

alvrb211

There are very few pilots at B6 with less experience than 4 year RAH Captains!


Al

STILL GROUNDED

I am at RAH on the RW side, I've been canceled twice in 2 years. Most of my deadheads are on Air Whiskey, I've never had one canceled and on the rare occasion does it run the block. I'd rather be able to answer my phone and know that the end of my trip is in fact the end of my trip. I've worked for Mesa and junior manning blows, and as bad as crew scheduling can treat us at RW I can't even imagine them having the ability to junior man.

Lowlevel

Because they operate some of the same size equipment B6 does so it should be a goal to exceed B6 pay. It doesn't matter if they're a regional or a major. That attitude needs to change NOW!!! Unbelievable!!!

I am willing to stay off RAH pilots backs until they get the opportunity to negotiate new rates. But if substantial pay hikes are not achieved(minimum B6 match) I will have very little respect for them. Until then, good luck & safe skies.[/quote]
Sorry, I am still confused. The E-190 is 15 feet longer and 15000 lbs heavier than a 175, and 20 feet longer and 35000 lbs heavier than a 170 (MTOW), and the 190 holds more pax than both. Like I said, I think airline pilots are WAY under paid, in fact less than the trash truck drivers in Queens, but I am just trying to figure out this particular comparison.

Bond

It's all relative to seniority and the company you work for, their level of staffing, operation variances, and so on. I've never been junior manned, however I've been protected for cancellations plenty of times (particularly operating in a challenging environment such as EWR), and I also enjoy trips with deadheads as we also get paid 100% on them. Right now we're also staffed well (to put it mildly) and I'm not on reserve. Conversely if you talk to someone who has spent a great deal of time on reserve they may have a different tune, the same goes for folks operating in challenging environment (JFK, ATL, ORD, LGA) without cancellation protections....it's that simple.

But we should get back on topic, I am pleading that you guys at RAH do not pass a bad contract, because it will set a precedent that will affect everyone in the industry. The message has to be loud and clear, that since you guys "don't have a choice" on flying a mainline aircraft, you have to be paid mainline wages. If you guys fail, well, I think we all know how this will turn out.

Unfortunately, based on the typical mentality at RAH, and the fact that the reverend has managed to brainwashed everyone, I think you guys will cave in, but I really want to be proven wrong...for the sake of everyone flying 121 in the U.S.

johnso29

Perhaps you're unaware that there was recently an annoncement made that RAH will operate E190s under the Midwest Connect banner. That's right, I said E190s. Not E170/175s, but E190s. RAH will be operating the exact same size aircraft as JetBlue & Us Airways.

That is why they should be paid JetBlue rates.

Pilotpip

Bond,

I really think you have a few internet commandos here stereotyped into the entire pilot group. I think you'll be surprised.

A vast majority of us aren't on our first airline. A vast majority of us weren't hired with ink still drying on our commercial rating. We see what's up. Bedford's brainwashing isn't targeted at us. It's directed at the other employees and does a pretty good job painting us as greedy SOBs (Heller's is even worse). I really do believe most of us see through it. Our rates suck. However 500 pilots flying 135s and 145s in 2003 could not have seen this coming. That's the price we paid for scope. Looking at how bad the situation is at TSA and for that matter, Midwest, I'll take the hit for a few more months.

I'll vote no on any TA that doesn't include significant pay an QOL increases on all equipment we fly.

Why stop at Jet Blue rates?

Bond

You're right, there are a couple of Bedford cheerleaders here, and it's not fair of me to categorize everyone there as such. I understand the dynamics of the current contract (03) and don't think anyone there post signing should take the blame. I just hope you're right. More than anything, I think guys have to realize that a good contract comes with an element of risk, but it will benefit us all. If you guys get mainline rates, it will do two very positive things for all of us in the industry.

First it will send the message that if you want mainline aircraft at the "regional" level, they have to pay mainline rates (so leave them at mainline).

Two, in the unlikely event that anyone else tries and succeeds at bringing these birds into the regional world, with mainline rates, at least we can all make a decent living; seeing as bringing these birds to the regional would deteriorate career progression to the majors.

Best of luck to you guys, I will reserve my judgment until all the cards are dealt, and I really truly hope you're right.