Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

You mean to tell me that after all your babbling you don't't know the answer to this? You don't know why these rates are like they are? Here's a bit of advise. Since you don't know go do a little reading. There are several threads where it's been posted time and time again why these numbers are the way they are. Heed and read.

Originally Posted by tpersuit

I can understand agreeing to those rates under duress of whipsaw to flying 50 seats for those rates, but I just don't see an excuse to fly 99 seats for those rates.

Midwest pilots had an option and they chose the street.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

There's no way you read all that in 3 min. Apparently you don't understand. How many people do you need to tell you that? I've seen at least a half dozen so far. I have no doubt you don't see why things are. So just accept and leave it at that.

Originally Posted by johnso29

I understand your guys frustration. Youre getting bombarded unfairly IMO as many of you weren't even employed by RAH when your current contract was signed.

I know where many of you stand on this issue, you included TD, from reading some of your previous posts. You have my support. It will most likely be a long battle, but I know many will want B6 or better. Safe Skies Guys.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

You mean to tell me that after all your babbling you don't't know the answer to this? You don't know why these rates are like they are? Here's a bit of advise. Since you don't know go do a little reading. There are several threads where it's been posted time and time again why these numbers are the way they are. Heed and read.


Once again heed and read.

start here: Contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia to learn what a contract is and what the legal responsibilities of both sides are required to do by law. Don't turn right around and say you know what a contract is and understand it. If you did you wouldn't be asking what you just did.

After that go here:The Railway Labor Act That's for the Railway Labor Act. Once you read that you'll learn what legal actions labor groups can take. If you have any questions on the RLA feel free to ask and others can help.

I'll spell it out here and you can read those links to get a full understanding of why things are the way they are.

The Midwest guys were able to deny those aircraft for the same reasons XJT, RAH, Comair or anyone else can reject a NEW aircraft introduced to the fleet. The contracts have a clause that usually lays out the process a company must go through to introduce new aircraft. The unions can either agree or not agree on the terms the company provides. If a common ground is not found the aircraft don't get flown. When these aircraft were taken to the Midwest pilot group they exercised their right to say "no deal" to the company. So that was that.

Now lets look at RAH. RAH has three certificates which the company did not want on the same seniority list. The pilots here managed to avoid what happened with GoJets/Trans-states. In order to do that they had to wheel and deal with management just like Mesa did to get Freedom under the same roof. That included pay rates for aircraft that didn't even exist on property yet. Yes the pay isn't the best but that's the price of doing business. You don't always get what you want. You have to find a middle ground. The possible repercussions of not have a single seniority list far outweighed the pay scales for aircraft that weren't even here. Take a good long look at what is happening between GoJets and TSA. The TSA guys are getting screwed with their pants on because they weren't able to find a successful middle ground with the company. Now their management is free to do what they want basically. At RAH this isn't the case. By getting everyone on one seniority list it positioned the pilot group for the next move. Just like a game a chess. Unlike so many of you here the guys were thinking long term and not simply wanting more now now now now now. With a single seniority list the pilot group has everything they need to argue for better pay and work rules. This isn't something that happens overnight but it is something that's worth the wait. Once things follow the RLA the pilot group will then have the legal backing to strike if it should come to that and make a difference.

As of yet the RAH pilots have never had the opportunity to take any legal action against the aircraft coming on property. The Midwest contract had essentially no scope protection which allows them to show up so long as it's within the confines of our contract, which they are. I don't think anyone here is confused about how disgruntled you are with them being at RAH. However all your fingerpointing in the world doesn't do much with simple rants. Simply being the loudest one yelling doesn't mean it's accurate or right. Your flame-baiting has been noted. RAH does not pay as much as the majors do. There's a lot of reasons the pilot group accepted what they did and considering how others have failed at achieving what the RAH guys did, single seniority list integration, I think they deserve a pat on the back rather than slaps on the face. With multiple seniority lists and BB's ability to get business things could have been a hell of a lot worse. Hindsight being 20/20 those guys made the smart move and gave a little now to secure things later. It was an investment and a good play.

Asking why the "Republic pilots don't have the guts" shows that you don't have a full grasp on the legal actions groups can take. Please take the time and read the RLA and the link on Contracts. This isn't the first time I've had to point things out to you over your rants. Last time it ended with you asking if I expected you to actually spend time reading things. I'll go ahead and answer yes. Before you start pointing fingers and doing your best to belittle people you might want to actually crack a book. It doesn't make you look the best and you need to remember that in the future you'll be running into people from here at other jobs. Aviation is a small community so treat those in it with some respect. It's not a lot to ask for someone to be civil.

Originally Posted by Flyboy8784

What Middle Ground though???? Middle ground usually means some sort of compromise....Is there ANYTHING in your contract that has other Airlines going "Damn I wish we had that in our contract!" ?? I dont think there is.....unless you can prove me wrong....and I hope you can....im not trying to be a d**k....just curious

Originally Posted by johnso29

Why shouldn't it happen? I think many guys @ RAH will stay mainly because they are happy in the E170s. With the E190 door now open that's even more that might stay. That means that not only should CAs worth about much better payrates, but FOs should worry even more because they'll be in the right seat for a much longer time. It would be foolish to start off with anything less then B6 rates + 1-2%.

Originally Posted by tpersuit

it's called informing the masses my friend. And if you have any intentions to get paid what you deserve on that 900, I would let it happen and be very happy for this information to get out there.

Originally Posted by grdprox

While it would be nice to pipe dream that they get JB or better, the facts are THEY ARE STILL A REGIONAL that fly's for us and other flag. JetBLUE fly's for JetBLUE! They are their own entity. JB does not get paid a fee for departure. JB pays for their own diesel. JB handles their own ticketing, need I go on. If Republic was it's own entity then sure, you better get JB or better, but the game has changed. To stay competitive, they still must keep an attractive bottom line for DCI and the lot. Impossible if they get JB rates or better. They are a REGIONAL AIRLINE!! Even though they may look like otherwise. What they should do is try to negotiate close to the payrate and get other QOL bonuses thrown in.