Jetpipe22

Good because we care about what you think of us buddy.

tpersuit

Still upset about not upgrading? Maybe if you didn't apply for an airline that didn't pay it's FO's enough, you would be fine financially.

Great Lakes should be a great career airline. Why should people have to leave?

tpersuit

Because you are flying the same aircraft for half the pay.

ToiletDuck

In the words of Hot Fuzz. Maybe she's F' ugly.

johnso29

Don't worry. I won't be the only one. What's sad is that your attitude implies that you don't care about this issue.

ToiletDuck

It's not that people don't care but it's the same non-stop endless babble where people act like RAH signed a contract yesterday for this and no matter how many times they're told why the contract exist as is they just seem to look past all that.

I wonder how things would be had the guys not fought for a single seniority list and sacrificed the pay on aircraft that didn't even exist to make it happen. With two airlines whipsawing each other go jets might seem like a dream environment compared to what could exist.

tpersuit

Ummm? Why did Republic pilots agree to pay their FO's only $37 for flying jets up to 99 seats?

You know the Midwest pilots were offered their jobs for those rates and they turned it down. Do the Republic pilots just not have the guts like them or something? Is that what you are trying to say?

johnso29

I understand your guys frustration. Youre getting bombarded unfairly IMO as many of you weren't even employed by RAH when your current contract was signed.

I know where many of you stand on this issue, you included TD, from reading some of your previous posts. You have my support. It will most likely be a long battle, but I know many will want B6 or better. Safe Skies Guys.

tpersuit

I don't blame them either, but many of them come on here and make excuses for themselves and blame OTHERS. All they have to say is the pay sucks and they don't agree with it. However, they blame EVERYONE else. "It's mainline pilot's fault", "I didn't give up scope", "I'm not the one who didn't want to fly baby jets". Just say you don't like it either and leave it at that. Blaming the Midwest pilots, for something a judge decided, makes them look really bad.

ToiletDuck

You mean to tell me that after all your babbling you don't't know the answer to this? You don't know why these rates are like they are? Here's a bit of advise. Since you don't know go do a little reading. There are several threads where it's been posted time and time again why these numbers are the way they are. Heed and read.
Once again heed and read.

start here: Contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia to learn what a contract is and what the legal responsibilities of both sides are required to do by law. Don't turn right around and say you know what a contract is and understand it. If you did you wouldn't be asking what you just did.

After that go here:The Railway Labor Act That's for the Railway Labor Act. Once you read that you'll learn what legal actions labor groups can take. If you have any questions on the RLA feel free to ask and others can help.

I'll spell it out here and you can read those links to get a full understanding of why things are the way they are.

The Midwest guys were able to deny those aircraft for the same reasons XJT, RAH, Comair or anyone else can reject a NEW aircraft introduced to the fleet. The contracts have a clause that usually lays out the process a company must go through to introduce new aircraft. The unions can either agree or not agree on the terms the company provides. If a common ground is not found the aircraft don't get flown. When these aircraft were taken to the Midwest pilot group they exercised their right to say "no deal" to the company. So that was that.

Now lets look at RAH. RAH has three certificates which the company did not want on the same seniority list. The pilots here managed to avoid what happened with GoJets/Trans-states. In order to do that they had to wheel and deal with management just like Mesa did to get Freedom under the same roof. That included pay rates for aircraft that didn't even exist on property yet. Yes the pay isn't the best but that's the price of doing business. You don't always get what you want. You have to find a middle ground. The possible repercussions of not have a single seniority list far outweighed the pay scales for aircraft that weren't even here. Take a good long look at what is happening between GoJets and TSA. The TSA guys are getting screwed with their pants on because they weren't able to find a successful middle ground with the company. Now their management is free to do what they want basically. At RAH this isn't the case. By getting everyone on one seniority list it positioned the pilot group for the next move. Just like a game a chess. Unlike so many of you here the guys were thinking long term and not simply wanting more now now now now now. With a single seniority list the pilot group has everything they need to argue for better pay and work rules. This isn't something that happens overnight but it is something that's worth the wait. Once things follow the RLA the pilot group will then have the legal backing to strike if it should come to that and make a difference.

As of yet the RAH pilots have never had the opportunity to take any legal action against the aircraft coming on property. The Midwest contract had essentially no scope protection which allows them to show up so long as it's within the confines of our contract, which they are. I don't think anyone here is confused about how disgruntled you are with them being at RAH. However all your fingerpointing in the world doesn't do much with simple rants. Simply being the loudest one yelling doesn't mean it's accurate or right. Your flame-baiting has been noted. RAH does not pay as much as the majors do. There's a lot of reasons the pilot group accepted what they did and considering how others have failed at achieving what the RAH guys did, single seniority list integration, I think they deserve a pat on the back rather than slaps on the face. With multiple seniority lists and BB's ability to get business things could have been a hell of a lot worse. Hindsight being 20/20 those guys made the smart move and gave a little now to secure things later. It was an investment and a good play.

Asking why the "Republic pilots don't have the guts" shows that you don't have a full grasp on the legal actions groups can take. Please take the time and read the RLA and the link on Contracts. This isn't the first time I've had to point things out to you over your rants. Last time it ended with you asking if I expected you to actually spend time reading things. I'll go ahead and answer yes. Before you start pointing fingers and doing your best to belittle people you might want to actually crack a book. It doesn't make you look the best and you need to remember that in the future you'll be running into people from here at other jobs. Aviation is a small community so treat those in it with some respect. It's not a lot to ask for someone to be civil.