View Poll Results: As a career aviator, which do you value more?
The professionalism of the job
38
69.09%
Having a job
17
30.91%
Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll
Professionalism VS Its A Job
05-31-2009, 01:25 PM
#11
The NeverEnding Story
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Posts: 7,611
Originally Posted by Mesabah
I'm 25 and I've already saved up most of my retirement money...
I'm your age and don't have anywhere NEAR "most" of my retirement money saved up...hell even $100k today at an annual return of 5% only leaves you with $721k after 40 years of growth. Not growth to sneeze at for sure, and TVM does reward people who get a nest egg started early...but you and I are going to need MILLIONS in order to retire in 40 years.
05-31-2009, 02:03 PM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: King Air 200 CA Hawker 800/900 FO
Posts: 810
. Aside from that I agree w/BoilerUP, TVM is very important to put whatever you can away as early as possible. Even though my employer has no retirement plan, doesn't stop me from pulling 5% away each week and putting it in private retirement funds.
05-31-2009, 02:47 PM
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 394
According to Wiki...
"In western nations, such as the United States, the term commonly describes highly educated, mostly salaried workers, who enjoy considerable work autonomy, economic security, a comfortable salary, and are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging work.Less technically, it may also refer to a person having impressive competence in a particular activity."
I suppose it all rests on whether or not airline pilots think those qualifiers apply to them.
"In western nations, such as the United States, the term commonly describes highly educated, mostly salaried workers, who enjoy considerable work autonomy, economic security, a comfortable salary, and are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging work.Less technically, it may also refer to a person having impressive competence in a particular activity."
I suppose it all rests on whether or not airline pilots think those qualifiers apply to them.
05-31-2009, 03:12 PM
#14
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 37
Poll is flawed.
I value having my job...but if someone wants to be treated like a professional and compensated like a professional, they must act, dress, and do their job like a professional. This means wearing the uniform properly, remembering you're in a service industry and asking questions when asked by passengers, watching one's language or actions while in uniform, and generally...well, acting like you have a shred of dignity or respect for the responsibilities of the job or the history of the profession.
Anybody who will do their job any more safely or professionally based upon a bigger number on their W2 doesn't value either their professionalism OR their job.
I value having my job...but if someone wants to be treated like a professional and compensated like a professional, they must act, dress, and do their job like a professional. This means wearing the uniform properly, remembering you're in a service industry and asking questions when asked by passengers, watching one's language or actions while in uniform, and generally...well, acting like you have a shred of dignity or respect for the responsibilities of the job or the history of the profession.
Anybody who will do their job any more safely or professionally based upon a bigger number on their W2 doesn't value either their professionalism OR their job.
I mean, I see your point but should professionalism change with the pay gap between 16k/year fo's and 200k/year capts?.
If you're a pilot who's making enough to live on your own with a car payment and eat well, I would say thats atleast enough to act like a professional.
05-31-2009, 03:31 PM
#15
:-)
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Please tell me this is hyperbole...
I'm your age and don't have anywhere NEAR "most" of my retirement money saved up...hell even $100k today at an annual return of 5% only leaves you with $721k after 40 years of growth. Not growth to sneeze at for sure, and TVM does reward people who get a nest egg started early...but you and I are going to need MILLIONS in order to retire in 40 years.
I'm your age and don't have anywhere NEAR "most" of my retirement money saved up...hell even $100k today at an annual return of 5% only leaves you with $721k after 40 years of growth. Not growth to sneeze at for sure, and TVM does reward people who get a nest egg started early...but you and I are going to need MILLIONS in order to retire in 40 years.
05-31-2009, 04:26 PM
#16
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,611
Originally Posted by Jessemh
should professionalism change with the pay gap between 16k/year fo's and 200k/year capts?.
One should not base how professional they act, dress, or perform their job duties based on their gross pay. If one DOES try to justify their actions (or lack thereof) by referring to their salary, that in itself reflects unprofessional behavior.
After all, its not like the compensation for flying an RJ was or is a mystery...
05-31-2009, 04:29 PM
#17
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
No, it shouldn't.
One should not base how professional they act, dress, or perform their job duties based on their gross pay. If one DOES try to justify their actions (or lack thereof) by referring to their salary, that in itself reflects unprofessional behavior.
After all, its not like the compensation for flying an RJ was or is a mystery...
One should not base how professional they act, dress, or perform their job duties based on their gross pay. If one DOES try to justify their actions (or lack thereof) by referring to their salary, that in itself reflects unprofessional behavior.
After all, its not like the compensation for flying an RJ was or is a mystery...
I agree, look how professional Manny Ramirez is, look at his salary
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