Back to the good old days...
05-29-2009, 08:49 AM
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reason why were in this pickle is someone asks if there's anything that can be done to bring back this industry and your answers are raise hiring mins. immediately the finger gets pointed at fellow pilots... man, theres some serious solitary floatin around.
05-29-2009, 09:06 AM
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I think that the FAA would need to make training more difficult as well. The reason why we have so many pilots on the street is that Flight Schools will train anyone with enough money. The FAA has allowed much of the "high standard" training to diminish. I worked for a European flight school a few years back and most of the pilots who get hired on with British Airways as FO's on a 737 only had about 300 hrs. The reason why it is not a problem there is because the flight schools often weed out the potential "bad pilots" even before they begin their flight training. My best students came from that school because they had better potential of becoming a "good pilot".
I think it would be wise to raise the standards in Flight Schools. This would not only reduce the amount of pilots, which would make it more competitive for the airlines to fulfill their needs, but also it would increase the percentage of "good pilots", who hopefully would only want to work at the airlines that provide good competitive pay and QOL.
I think it would be wise to raise the standards in Flight Schools. This would not only reduce the amount of pilots, which would make it more competitive for the airlines to fulfill their needs, but also it would increase the percentage of "good pilots", who hopefully would only want to work at the airlines that provide good competitive pay and QOL.
05-29-2009, 09:16 AM
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I think that the FAA would need to make training more difficult as well. The reason why we have so many pilots on the street is that Flight Schools will train anyone with enough money. The FAA has allowed much of the "high standard" training to diminish. I worked for a European flight school a few years back and most of the pilots who get hired on with British Airways as FO's on a 737 only had about 300 hrs. The reason why it is not a problem there is because the flight schools often weed out the potential "bad pilots" even before they begin their flight training. My best students came from that school because they had better potential of becoming a "good pilot".
I think it would be wise to raise the standards in Flight Schools. This would not only reduce the amount of pilots, which would make it more competitive for the airlines to fulfill their needs, but also it would increase the percentage of "good pilots", who hopefully would only want to work at the airlines that provide good competitive pay and QOL.
I think it would be wise to raise the standards in Flight Schools. This would not only reduce the amount of pilots, which would make it more competitive for the airlines to fulfill their needs, but also it would increase the percentage of "good pilots", who hopefully would only want to work at the airlines that provide good competitive pay and QOL.
05-29-2009, 09:37 AM
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Lately there has been much conversation about Pilot qualifications and experience in today's Airline flight decks. There has also been much conversation about pilot pay and QOL.
Being a pilot used to be a glamorous career, which has changed drastically to what we have now in the industry.
Being a pilot used to be a glamorous career, which has changed drastically to what we have now in the industry.
Respectfully, I don't think the answer is to reattain glamor that may or may not have existed. I think the answer starts with unity within the profession (perhaps through a pilot's version of the AMA?). Only then can we effectively go for better pay, bennies and QOL.
05-29-2009, 10:35 AM
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All this talk about raising the mins to fly for an airline. Increased hours doesn't necessarily make better pilots, quality flight training makes better pilots. While going through training they even tell you the most dangerous time in your career is when you aquire about 800-1000 hours in the A/C and complacency starts to set in. I feel for the captains who constantly baby sit the person sitting in the right seat, but that could have absolutely nothing to do with the amount of time they have. If they got through the airline's training program and they are still a burden on the captain, then that's not showing a lack of experience on their part, that's showing a lack of judgement on the training department. That is the point of IOE, obviously no matter how much time you have, there is going to be a transition period when switching aircraft. If the IOE captain signs them off, in my mind that should be good enough, and the amount of hours they had prior to that should have nothing to do with it.
ATP mins for FO's would at least get them past that.
05-29-2009, 11:01 AM
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Yep, regulation is the key. The pricing power of this industry went to the bottom feeders. There is only so much pie in this industry now, and to give the top guys most of it, requires regional guys flying bigger aircraft for less and less pay. Until the legacy carriers regain their pricing power ability, the airlines will continue to slide.
05-29-2009, 11:43 AM
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You do realize that due to regulation, the ensuing reduction of available seats and fewer passengers flying due to increased prices would result in everybody posting on this thread to be out of work right?
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