av8sean

This has the potential of getting nasty very fast... I've already heard captains suggesting they'll be checking the nonrev lists before flights and bumping them for more fuel if we get screwed on our nonrev benefits.

cencal83406

I am one of them. I will do my best to prevent any non-rev person from getting on a 9E aircraft. Sorry, it's nothing personal.... extra C-Fuel, Please! I've never managed to weight-restrict a CRJ-900 but there's never been a better time than June 23, 2009.

av8sean

It's even easier to weight restrict a 200.. All you really need in an alternate sometimes.

boilerpilot

What about commuters? You're still in CASS, so I would strongly suggest not starting a Jumpseat war with other carriers while you still have fellow pilots trying to get to work on them. Non-rev I can understand, jumpseaters I cannot.

cencal83406

I hope you don't really think people equate non-revving and jump-seating? I sure don't.

You want to get somewhere, you better start using a jumpseat pass on a 9E flight, because starting June 23rd, non-revvers can hang out at the gate and wait for another carrier's aircraft.

higney85

I don't see how anybody feels that denying boarding or avoiding the ability of non-revs (adding ALT or C-fuel) will really be something that would help us. All we would do is alienate ourselves from all mainline and DCI carriers. The company will start calling every pilot in for meetings, and NOTHING positive will come out of the issue, only harsh feelings towards us- which would "reciprocally" make life horrible for all of OUR commuters.

Better method that it appears we may need to go to.... FORCE the company to give us same/comparable benefits to the other DCI non-wholly owned carriers. It may not be ideal (we will always want more), but it would be something difficult to begin with.....

The only way to make it contractual is to REQUIRE it to be contractual. It may require corp to re-negotiate with Delta, but if it's what the pilot group wants and needs it becomes a very important point. I live in base and have no kids, my parents don't need/use my benefits, and I don't take vacations of standby. Do I really care about the travel benes?- NO, but it matters to many of my close friends, most of our commuters, and the vast majority of our pilots- therefore it begins to matter to me.

Current contract language: Section 26. (Page 78)

D. PASSES
1. A pilot will be granted no less favorable interline and on-line privileges
than those of any non-management employee group. The Company will
use its best efforts in securing interline passes and reduced-rate
transportation.
2. The following pilots and their immediate families will be granted spaceavailable
passes and "buddy" passes on all revenue flights operated by the
Company, in accordance with the Company's Pass Policy:a. active pilots,
b. furloughed pilots not flying for another airline and pilots on
medical leave of absence, for the first 120 days of furlough and
medical leave,
c. retired pilots not flying for another airline whose combined age
(with a minimum age of fifty-five (55)), and years of service equal
or exceed seventy (70); and,
d. pilots on leaves of absence, for the first sixty (60) days of such
leaves.
3. The Company will not charge pilots and their immediate families for
passes on Company aircraft.
4. The term "immediate family," as used in this subsection, will include the
following:
a. the pilot’s spouse,
b. the pilot’s children and stepchildren under the age of twenty-one
(21);
c. the pilot’s children and stepchildren under the age of twenty-five
(25) who are enrolled as full-time college students; and
d. the pilot’s parents.
5. When a pilot becomes deceased his spouse, his children and stepchildren
under the age of twenty-one (21), and his children and stepchildren under
the age of twenty-five (25) who are enrolled as full-time college students,
of deceased pilots will be entitled to passes on the same basis as the family
members of active pilots for ten (10) years following the pilot's death. If
the deceased pilot’s spouse remarries, however, the spouse forfeits all
rights under this provision.



Anything less than this becomes a "concessionary contract" in my opinion. The MEC is already aware of the problems that are going to arise if there is no improvements over the current pass travel "leaks" that the pass bureau has been saying are coming on the 23rd of June.

HercDriver130

non rev...jumpseat.. what does it matter ...you start ****ing off DL and or other DCI carriers.. .and it will all end up the same.... you wont win this fight with a punitive action against other pilots and their families... this will only end badly in that case.

Noseeums

Have you guys received any printed confirmation on this new pass travel policy yet? I haven't been to work in a few days, but I haven't received anything that I know of. Seems like we'd have some facts in the v-files if new policy starts June 23rd.

By the way, I think this "denying tactic" is going to cause us way more problems and probably no resolution. Please reconsider the consequences of what you're proposing. I'm guessing you don't commute to work on non-Pinnacle Airlink/DCI carriers? Denials work both ways and even though you're saying 'just non-revvers' it's going to start an unnecessary jumpseat war anyway.

PinnacleFO

This makes me laugh. Our pilots are great at talking a good game, but come on, no one is going to deny anyone getting on board.

FedUp

Here's another great rumor.....
Has anyone heard anything to the effect of Messaba and Compass getting priority on the jumpseat list, even on our own flights?
Someone mentioned that to me and I reminded them that it is a rumor, however if it came true can you imagine the guys getting denied the j/s....