Pinnacle contract complete?
05-20-2009, 05:20 PM
#24
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If our pass benefits go in the toilet like they are saying on the company board, then that contract had better be friggin golden. And by golden, I mean I get my own personal ball washer a'la Lewis Black........
05-20-2009, 05:48 PM
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The "one way or another" is this...... Either the week in June this contract is done, or we (the union) will continue down the path with the NMB. I have talked with both SE and heard from ZC from my dealings with Retirement/Insurance proposals and there is no "laying down" with this contract.
The signing bonus has not been figured out either because the financials aren't done, many times we can give up a little signing money in leu of a richer contract that down the line puts more money in the pilot's pockets. Remember who pays the bonus and who pays for "industry average labor costs".
Payrates are still open and HAVE NOT been TA'd on. Just as the negotiators have said payrates have alot attached to them. You want a 100% retirement match up to a high percentage? That's a lower hourly payrate, you want a higher payrate, that's a lower match. Of course we want high match and high rates but there is some "give and take" when it comes to rates. Either way we are NOT going to settle for less than industry standard, or even just industry standard with loopholes the company can and (shall, will, must) exploit. The company wants this done and sees the whole contract as a medium pizza, we want an extra large, but we will settle only for a large with some extra toppings put on.
If you have questions contact a LEC rep, MEC rep, or P2P committee member. Rumors are fun, but can really start people on an emotional rollercoaster when dealing with pay, QOL, and job security.
We may have to give up my pony to get a good contract for every pilot at 9E.
The signing bonus has not been figured out either because the financials aren't done, many times we can give up a little signing money in leu of a richer contract that down the line puts more money in the pilot's pockets. Remember who pays the bonus and who pays for "industry average labor costs".
Payrates are still open and HAVE NOT been TA'd on. Just as the negotiators have said payrates have alot attached to them. You want a 100% retirement match up to a high percentage? That's a lower hourly payrate, you want a higher payrate, that's a lower match. Of course we want high match and high rates but there is some "give and take" when it comes to rates. Either way we are NOT going to settle for less than industry standard, or even just industry standard with loopholes the company can and (shall, will, must) exploit. The company wants this done and sees the whole contract as a medium pizza, we want an extra large, but we will settle only for a large with some extra toppings put on.
If you have questions contact a LEC rep, MEC rep, or P2P committee member. Rumors are fun, but can really start people on an emotional rollercoaster when dealing with pay, QOL, and job security.
We may have to give up my pony to get a good contract for every pilot at 9E.
05-20-2009, 10:08 PM
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By the way. The rest of the industry is complaining about pay, yet we're trying to match their wages. uhhhhhh? sure. It's a long way up from the bottom I guess....
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05-21-2009, 04:32 AM
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So the next time DW sends out a three page encrypted memo on how the intrepetation of extentions, fatigue, sick, mistrip, reserve, etc have all been suddenly changed the union will actually have a response besides, "um, well, we'll represent you in the carpet dance."? It would be nice if my time wasn't wasted to begin with for following our printed legally binding rules. Instead we're constantly threatend with diciplinary action if we don't comply with the 500th reinterpretation of whatever the airline feels like doing this week. This mickey mouse stuff doesn't go on everywhere.
By the way. The rest of the industry is complaining about pay, yet we're trying to match their wages. uhhhhhh? sure. It's a long way up from the bottom I guess....
By the way. The rest of the industry is complaining about pay, yet we're trying to match their wages. uhhhhhh? sure. It's a long way up from the bottom I guess....
Keep in mind we are just NOW getting to the meat of the contract (the money). We have had a bear of a time getting the basic language and wording to get each section and subpart to be free of misinterpretation. Where many companies may work WITH the unions and employees to get the job done, our company is adversarial to the max. I personally have only seen the TA language for a few sections, but within those sections the wording and examples give greater benefits to the pilots and does reduce and eliminate the company's ability to "misinterpret change".
As far as payrates- they have not been settled, and simply "industry average" will not pass the vote with this group unless there is alot of soft money and pay protections to have the credit hours higher than simply block, otherwise we would still be industry sub-standard with a new contract. Let's wait and see a TA before we all start complaining.
05-21-2009, 05:56 AM
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05-21-2009, 06:01 AM
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