Aviation Expert slams regional pilots
05-14-2009, 03:39 AM
#51
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Any civilian pilot who thinks that their overall training equals a military trained pilot is kidding themselves. How many civies have been to an altitude chamber, had aerobatic training, started flying swept wing jets with less than 100 hours under their belt. Please there is no comparison.
Still does not mean that military pilots are better. But they sure are trained better.
By the way I am 100 percent civilian trained.
Still does not mean that military pilots are better. But they sure are trained better.
By the way I am 100 percent civilian trained.
05-14-2009, 04:04 AM
#52
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Any civilian pilot who thinks that their overall training equals a military trained pilot is kidding themselves. How many civies have been to an altitude chamber, had aerobatic training, started flying swept wing jets with less than 100 hours under their belt. Please there is no comparison.
Still does not mean that military pilots are better. But they sure are trained better.
By the way I am 100 percent civilian trained.
Still does not mean that military pilots are better. But they sure are trained better.
By the way I am 100 percent civilian trained.
05-14-2009, 04:39 AM
#53
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Of course the military provides better training - it costs what, upwards of $1M to train each military pilot? Contrast that with the civilian route, where you can go from zero time to CFI-AIM with a Citation or 737 type rating for less than $100k.
However, not everybody can be a military pilot, even if that is their career goal and their actions reflect their motivation to achieve it. There are many circumstances beyond one's control that can prevent somebody from getting those wings; just ask me about my ocular hypertension
However, not everybody can be a military pilot, even if that is their career goal and their actions reflect their motivation to achieve it. There are many circumstances beyond one's control that can prevent somebody from getting those wings; just ask me about my ocular hypertension
05-14-2009, 05:02 AM
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05-14-2009, 05:49 AM
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Interesting thread. Pilots come in all shapes and sizes (look around at the airport) and skill levels, both military and civilian trained. I will say when I get on a mainline flight I don't wonder if the Captain is giving some 300 hour FO on the job training. I do however, now have to worry if the Captain is going senile, thanks age 65 law!
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05-14-2009, 06:03 AM
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05-14-2009, 06:15 AM
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Interesting thread. Pilots come in all shapes and sizes (look around at the airport) and skill levels, both military and civilian trained. I will say when I get on a mainline flight I don't wonder if the Captain is giving some 300 hour FO on the job training. I do however, now have to worry if the Captain is going senile, thanks age 65 law!
Scoop - striving to be average!
Scoop - striving to be average!
05-14-2009, 06:24 AM
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Hey Aviation Expert-
Find an audience that cares.
Go to the ntsb 3407 animation clock 22:16:34.
Comment about the roll axis effectiveness of the rudder at high AOA as the video plays from that point.
Pause the playback at 22:16:47 and ask for a sign of hands from the audience as to how many believe that the q400 can successfully recover from the split S.
Push play, have fun...
Find an audience that cares.
Go to the ntsb 3407 animation clock 22:16:34.
Comment about the roll axis effectiveness of the rudder at high AOA as the video plays from that point.
Pause the playback at 22:16:47 and ask for a sign of hands from the audience as to how many believe that the q400 can successfully recover from the split S.
Push play, have fun...
No doubt it was next to impossible to recover from, but I believe one needs to address how they got into that unusual attitude. Now please don't jump on me because I'm not armchair QBing here, I just think that when CA Renslow said "Yeah, that's a lot, I mean the most ice I've seen on the wings in a while." THAT should have been a red flag.
God Bless the crew & pax of Colgan 3407.
05-14-2009, 10:13 AM
#60
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Not really... allthough I am sure there are some who do have a transition problem. Fighter guys rarely operate single ship... almost always in concert with 1-3 other aircraft ...and believe me..... formation flying requires CREW resource mgt within the flight. Its not exactly the same.. but many of the same principles apply.
as for the comment above about spoon feeding mil pilots during IOE... I would bet that the spoon feeding as more to do with airline operations...than actual flying the aircraft... as I said above...there are always exceptions.....course we all arent god and walk on water like River6.
as for the comment above about spoon feeding mil pilots during IOE... I would bet that the spoon feeding as more to do with airline operations...than actual flying the aircraft... as I said above...there are always exceptions.....course we all arent god and walk on water like River6.
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