be76flyer

Only the top three got phone calls. I talked to 72,71 and 70 and none have gotten phone calls or notice of no furlough.

PIPErdrvr

Thanx for the confirmation/update

Mason32

Yes, but as long as people keep comming why should they change.

attitide is the job of the HR and background people to weed out. The purpose of minimum total time has directly to do with experience level, as has been long established by the insurance industry.

That would be a fair statement; however the reality is, and I'm sure you'll learn this when you move to the left seat... there are far more know-it-all's in the last 3 years then in the previous 10... and they're ticked off about the older guys still being at regionals, such as Eagle, and taking up "their" seat.

You are also looking at it solely from one viewpoint. As it is, I'm much more interested in not having to watch every single move the other pilot is making than if he/she is in a good mood. Granted, a good personality is important and makes the day go by easier, but you can not underestimate how much having a competent pilot that doesn't need to be watched every second of the day also makes the day more pleasurable. It is very tiring/draining to have to babysit each and every single minute of the day.

Other than that, and I agree with ya

meeko031

It's when pilots let their guards down when accidents happen don't you think? The last 2 CA's i have worked with don't even open their flight kit. Yes, they know each frequency/star/sid/approaches in each airport but it's small/poor habits like it that could lead to something bigger.

SebastianDesoto

So what kind of experience level would suit you if you were setting the mins?
I don't think there is anyone left at Eagle that hasn't already done their probation ride.

Mason32

The current 135 minimums would be a good starting point. If you can't deliver mail to an island or resort in a C172 then you shouldn't be flying part 121 either.

Not sure, I'll have to ask. As of last month they still had people going through and the failure rates the last six months have been higher than previous norms as well.... but that can be a misleading fact, since there is no way to track if it was due to poor pilot quality/preperation or if they are testing harder to intentionally dump people. I suspect a bit of both.

Mason32

Is there anything besides lunch in the bag ?

No, I agree, even if they aren't going to look at the charts, they are setting a bad example for the CA in training sitting to their right.

SharkyBN584

So basically now that Eagle has all "their" airplanes back from TSA they can furlough. Not forgetting TSA had to furlough a bunch of guys when they lost the Eagle airplanes. So essentially, ALPA screwed everyone on this deal? If I was airline management, I would be laughing really really hard at the irony of all this.

Mason32

How did ALPA screw anybody here? TSA had been flying AMR airplanes under a contract. Anybody taking a job at TSA was free to read the rulings from AMR/TSA/Eagle arbitrations and clearly see that based on the argument AMR used to win the arbitration, that eventually that contract would be gone.

Losing flying is something of a greater risk when the flying your doing isn't your own to begin with. That holds true across the board, not just at TSA. In most cases the subcontractor can hopefully bid on flying to replace what's lost. In the TSA case, it was obvious to anybody who ready the rulings, that eventually the flying - and the airplanes - would be gone. No airplanes, no way to bid on replacement flying... expect furloughs.

If the colors and logo on your jet don't match the source of your paycheck then how can you complain when the owner of the logo recalls their planes..... and how could ALPA be responsible for any of that?

But essentially you are correct in one regard. The planes had to return before they could easilly furlough.

meeko031

What is the deal on furloughs at eagle to please apa(nothing to do with cutbacks) something about eagle not growing?