wheresmyplane

I was having a conversation this week with a furloughed Continental guy. We're both on furlough, and our former union "brothers" are still picking up open time. Now that's solidarity right there. I fail to see how this is any better than what many on this forum accuse GJ pilots of. You are taking someone else's work. The company doesn't care if they're understaffed because they know there are guys out there that'll pick up the flying. I certainly hope Eagle sticks together better than Comair or Continental.

duvie

I'm not trying to flame here, but I would pick up open time with guys on the street. Companies use mathematical formulas to base their reserve needs. Number of lines, block hours, expected increases and percent requirements are just a few things that get thrown in the mix. The stress level of the schedulers is not gonna change numbers used from historical data. Most airlines have furloughed before and have a good idea of what kind of block hours will get guys back, again they look at all that stuff before they make the decision to drop F-bombs.

Getting furloughed sucks, but ask any seasoned airline pilot, its part of the job. When you have a job you aren't promised more than guarantee and just like millions of other Americans, when times are hard you may lose your job. At least you have a spot at the company waiting for you when things pick up.

ERJ135

I personally don't believe in picking up OT. I have only done it under a few circumstances and pulled it from ppl putting it up for a drop request. I only like to help out fellow pilots not the company. If there are some egl guys that must do it. I would pick it up from ppl who wanted it dropped not the OT from the company.

Flyby1206

Yes it is true the company makes staffing projections based on many things, including how much OT pilots fly. If nobody picks up OT and flights are being canceled due to staffing then you can bet your butt they will recall pilots to cover trips in the busiest travel season of the year.

FlyJSH

Yeah, do what it takes to survive... everyone has needs..... everyone except the folks who get furloughed


Seems to me, picking up open time with folks on the street is Scab-Light.

rickair7777

The courts have held that ANY change in the "status quo" is a job action. One famous case involved mainline AA IIRC...be very careful fooling with AMR.

This includes organized efforts to change voluntary, non-contractual behavior such as picking up open time. Basically the company is entitled to expect that the labor group will keep doing what it has always done, unless released by the NMB for self-help.

This would include an organized effort to not use personal cell phones.

I'm not saying bend over for management, but be aware of potential consequences and be very careful.

Also, your union will violently oppose any rogue actions...because your union WILL be held liable for damages to the company if any subset of it's labor group conducts rogue actions.

eaglefly

If you don't think there is past history of airline management taking legal action against website forums to reveal identity, then you need some education.

It has been done. I was just looking out for him, that's all.

As it stands now, AMR could find his identity and they could choose to persue it and if they did, not only would his Eagle job be through, but with a termination on his resume for THIS reason, his airline career is toast.

CaptKrunch

Does anyone ELSE see a major problem with this?

JT8D

Proud to say I've never once picked up OT... at $24/hr its just not worth it

Take THAT Eagle management!!

mrmak2

I am not picking up a single hour of OT as long as people are furloughed. And further, I am actively chastising anyone who does. If you need OT to survive then you picked the wrong job (that's not a joke).

I don't go out of my way to stick it to crew scheduling but it is THEIR responsibilty to make sure staffing is adequate. Yes we are on the same team in the end but that means that they have to pull their own weight. I believe when bases are consistently short then the company will recall pilots.

I believe management made horrible decisions regarding staffing starting with the Saab retirements and this furlough issue is just the next chapter in the mismanagement saga.

The company has alot bigger problems than chasing down pilot identities on forums to make an example of them. Put yourselves in the position of those guys/gals getting furloughed. If you can do something to get them back even a month sooner it's worth it.