RAH and 190's
04-14-2009, 05:48 PM
#182
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 217
First, I'm not a mainline pilot. I'm a regional pilot. Second, you seem to be turning the argument to justify the means. Here's how I see it, yes the majors gave up scope, and they paid a price, but that's in the past. You're ability to negotiate industry leading rates or better for the 190's is now!!!!
No matter how you try to spin it the 190 is a mainline size aircraft, for which the majors have not given up scope, nor will they, I think everyone at the majors learned their lessons after the last round (see United, USair, Delta, etc.). However in the unlikely event that your regional (or any other for that matter) should get the birds to fly under their own flag, you owe it to yourself and to your brothers across the board, heck you owe it to your future, to negotiate industry leading or better.
No hypocrisy or egos here, just honest facts, perhaps, you didn't like the sound of the truth.
No matter how you try to spin it the 190 is a mainline size aircraft, for which the majors have not given up scope, nor will they, I think everyone at the majors learned their lessons after the last round (see United, USair, Delta, etc.). However in the unlikely event that your regional (or any other for that matter) should get the birds to fly under their own flag, you owe it to yourself and to your brothers across the board, heck you owe it to your future, to negotiate industry leading or better.
No hypocrisy or egos here, just honest facts, perhaps, you didn't like the sound of the truth.
1st. The past you talk about is still today, scope gave up is still gone.
2nd. We are in negotiations..NOW for a leading industry contract
3rd. Don't give up scope + WE DONT WANT 190's= IMPOSSIBLE
Bond, I have bolded the important parts so you clearly understand.
04-14-2009, 05:56 PM
#183
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 217
Can I use the above quote at the battered womans shelter who ironically also blame themselves?
I don't care what I fly, I chose a base (ORD) not an airplane.
04-14-2009, 06:01 PM
#184
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: 170-port side
Posts: 23
I would personally be fine if Republic got 190s IF AND ONLY IF a LOT of things change at this airline.
It scares me to think that 20 years from now many of us may still be at RAH. Imagine, 20 years from now, that you are waking up at 3a.m. to make your usual 4:30a.m. showtime in CMH. You fly your EMB190 to CLT in 1:18 but get block or better so you get paid 1:20, cool. Now it is time to start your 4:25 sit. You spend your time in our "crewroom", the area up above the food court. You know where I'm talking about. I'm sure we still won't have a real crewroom because, although we spend a huge amount of time sitting in CLT it isn't a base so a crewroom isn't required. So now that you are thoroughly ****ed off and exhausted from sitting around, it is time to stroll to your gate for your GSO out and back. Uh Oh, plane is broken, your round trip is cancelled. Well lets sit around CLT for 3 more hours getting paid $1.50 an hour perdiem. No cancellation pay, so we just lost 1:20!! Well, we had another 2:50 sit in CLT scheduled after our GSO round trip before our deadhead home. After sitting in CLT for 10+ hours making perdiem only, we are finally on our deadhead flight home. This flight is blocked at 1:25 but since it is a deadhead we are only paid for 75% of the block = 1:04. Total pay for the day - 2:24 flight pay, 13 hours taxable perdiem. My 2nd year FO made $95 for working a 13 hour day.
Weather we do or do not get 190s we need to make changes at this airline NOW! Otherwise this may be a day in the life years down the road for many of us. Do not accept a contract without:
- full deadhead pay
- cancellation pay
- some sort of trip or duty rigs
- significant pay increases
- better medical benefits
- etc etc etc
If we get 190s at this regional, those planes will never be at a mainline carrier. This in turn means there will be fewer mainline jobs for us in the future. If we are gonna be stuck here lets have some respect for ourselves and get an awesome contract so we aren't all miserable, crusty old people 20 years down the road. Have a great day everyone!!
It scares me to think that 20 years from now many of us may still be at RAH. Imagine, 20 years from now, that you are waking up at 3a.m. to make your usual 4:30a.m. showtime in CMH. You fly your EMB190 to CLT in 1:18 but get block or better so you get paid 1:20, cool. Now it is time to start your 4:25 sit. You spend your time in our "crewroom", the area up above the food court. You know where I'm talking about. I'm sure we still won't have a real crewroom because, although we spend a huge amount of time sitting in CLT it isn't a base so a crewroom isn't required. So now that you are thoroughly ****ed off and exhausted from sitting around, it is time to stroll to your gate for your GSO out and back. Uh Oh, plane is broken, your round trip is cancelled. Well lets sit around CLT for 3 more hours getting paid $1.50 an hour perdiem. No cancellation pay, so we just lost 1:20!! Well, we had another 2:50 sit in CLT scheduled after our GSO round trip before our deadhead home. After sitting in CLT for 10+ hours making perdiem only, we are finally on our deadhead flight home. This flight is blocked at 1:25 but since it is a deadhead we are only paid for 75% of the block = 1:04. Total pay for the day - 2:24 flight pay, 13 hours taxable perdiem. My 2nd year FO made $95 for working a 13 hour day.
Weather we do or do not get 190s we need to make changes at this airline NOW! Otherwise this may be a day in the life years down the road for many of us. Do not accept a contract without:
- full deadhead pay
- cancellation pay
- some sort of trip or duty rigs
- significant pay increases
- better medical benefits
- etc etc etc
If we get 190s at this regional, those planes will never be at a mainline carrier. This in turn means there will be fewer mainline jobs for us in the future. If we are gonna be stuck here lets have some respect for ourselves and get an awesome contract so we aren't all miserable, crusty old people 20 years down the road. Have a great day everyone!!
Last edited by RatherBeFishing; 04-15-2009 at 02:08 PM.
04-14-2009, 07:34 PM
#185
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Position: On Top
Posts: 742
I've answered it as cut and dry as possible... twice. I will vote no for anything that is sub-standard. Read man. I've gone into vast elaboration how I would vote against anything of the sort multiple times with you. No, nadda, Aye, Ie, Na La, Ankobi, Geen, Nee, Haw, Tsaa C'am, Win, Ba, Aqa, Janiwa, Yox, Enna, Ayi,Ah ah, Gila, Ne, Poi-e, Hm, Awije, All-,Gala, Be, Ma'anic, Xa'ni, Hani, Ma, La, Ko, Nani, Kamu, Kepu, Su, Ne, Wata, yaga, A'ou, hani, aliu, umaaw, noon, yagu, Nese, nah, Gdu, Aa,.... or in the most simplest form I can think of... NO I will not support it by any means which I've stated a few times. Read what someone writes before responding to it already. Each time you've asked with this specific question I've answered with a very specific and easy to understand "NO". For crying out loud man NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. I'll check back in tomorrow for your next "You still haven't answered my question yet" post.
LIsten CAREFULLY here Bond. We do NOT want 190 here at RAH.
1st. The past you talk about is still today, scope gave up is still gone.
2nd. We are in negotiations..NOW for a leading industry contract
3rd. Don't give up scope + WE DONT WANT 190's= IMPOSSIBLE
Bond, I have bolded the important parts so you clearly understand.
1st. The past you talk about is still today, scope gave up is still gone.
2nd. We are in negotiations..NOW for a leading industry contract
3rd. Don't give up scope + WE DONT WANT 190's= IMPOSSIBLE
Bond, I have bolded the important parts so you clearly understand.
The majors made the mistake of giving up scope on both jets in the mid 90's, and later 70 seaters (with the exception on CAL) which again has proven to be a guppy killer (for a more clear example please see UA).
That of course being the past, which as you mentioned continues to affect the present and the future for the guys at the majors...so far I think we agree.
Now, I realize that the majority of the folks at the regionals don't want these birds, yet, you've got guys like Bedford and J.O. that simply see them as business opportunities, and will try to get them at anyone's expense.
Impossible you say? Not with guys like BB running the show. Improbable? Maybe, anything is possible with a guy like Bedford, for all we know he might be trying to get 190's for the Midwest operation. I truly hope you're right about you guys being actively engaged in negotiating a leading of the pack contract in all fronts. Unfortunately, I won't believe it, 'til I see it in writing.
All the same, best of luck, we're all counting on you guys to make it happen.
04-15-2009, 03:15 AM
#186
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: rear GV
Posts: 294
It scares me to think that 20 years from now many of us may still be at RAH. Imagine, 20 years from now, that you are waking up at 3a.m. to make your usual 4:30a.m. showtime in CMH. You fly you EMB190 to CLT in 1:18 but get block or better so you get paid 1:20, cool. Now it is time to start your 4:25 sit. You spend your time in our "crewroom", the area up above the food court. You know where I'm talking about. I'm sure we still won't have a real crewroom because, although we spend a huge amount of time sitting in CLT it isn't a base so a crewroom isn't required. So now that you are thoroughly ****ed off and exhausted from sitting around, it is time to stroll to your gate for your GSO out and back. Uh Oh, plane is broken, your round trip is canceled. Well lets sit around CLT for 3 more hours getting paid $1.50 an hour perdiem. No cancellation pay, so we just lost 1:20!! Well, we had another 2:50 sit in CLT scheduled after our GSO round trip before our deadhead home. After sitting in CLT for 10+ hours making perdiem only, we are finally on our deadhead flight home. This flight is blocked at 1:25 but since it is a deadhead we are only paid for 75% of the block = 1:04. Total pay for the day - 2:24 flight pay, 13 hours taxable perdiem. My 2nd year FO made $95 for working a 13 hour day.
thats terrible. i really hope you guys get the best contract with the highest pay over everyone by a signifigant amout!! 3/4 of you pilot goup has a backbone of a jellyfish. It will be tough for you to get everything like the trip/duty rigs 100 pay protection better med, but in the meantime we all be watching
thats terrible. i really hope you guys get the best contract with the highest pay over everyone by a signifigant amout!! 3/4 of you pilot goup has a backbone of a jellyfish. It will be tough for you to get everything like the trip/duty rigs 100 pay protection better med, but in the meantime we all be watching
04-15-2009, 05:34 AM
#187
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
It scares me to think that 20 years from now many of us may still be at RAH. Imagine, 20 years from now, that you are waking up at 3a.m. to make your usual 4:30a.m. showtime in CMH. You fly you EMB190 to CLT in 1:18 but get block or better so you get paid 1:20, cool. Now it is time to start your 4:25 sit. You spend your time in our "crewroom", the area up above the food court. You know where I'm talking about. I'm sure we still won't have a real crewroom because, although we spend a huge amount of time sitting in CLT it isn't a base so a crewroom isn't required. So now that you are thoroughly ****ed off and exhausted from sitting around, it is time to stroll to your gate for your GSO out and back. Uh Oh, plane is broken, your round trip is canceled. Well lets sit around CLT for 3 more hours getting paid $1.50 an hour perdiem. No cancellation pay, so we just lost 1:20!! Well, we had another 2:50 sit in CLT scheduled after our GSO round trip before our deadhead home. After sitting in CLT for 10+ hours making perdiem only, we are finally on our deadhead flight home. This flight is blocked at 1:25 but since it is a deadhead we are only paid for 75% of the block = 1:04. Total pay for the day - 2:24 flight pay, 13 hours taxable perdiem. My 2nd year FO made $95 for working a 13 hour day.
thats terrible. i really hope you guys get the best contract with the highest pay over everyone by a signifigant amout!! 3/4 of you pilot goup has a backbone of a jellyfish. It will be tough for you to get everything like the trip/duty rigs 100 pay protection better med, but in the meantime we all be watching
thats terrible. i really hope you guys get the best contract with the highest pay over everyone by a signifigant amout!! 3/4 of you pilot goup has a backbone of a jellyfish. It will be tough for you to get everything like the trip/duty rigs 100 pay protection better med, but in the meantime we all be watching
04-15-2009, 06:25 AM
#188
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: retired
Posts: 992
I would personally be fine if Republic got 190s IF AND ONLY IF a LOT of things change at this airline.
It scares me to think that 20 years from now many of us may still be at RAH. Imagine, 20 years from now, that you are waking up at 3a.m. to make your usual 4:30a.m. showtime in CMH. You fly you EMB190 to CLT in 1:18 but get block or better so you get paid 1:20, cool. Now it is time to start your 4:25 sit. You spend your time in our "crewroom", the area up above the food court. You know where I'm talking about. I'm sure we still won't have a real crewroom because, although we spend a huge amount of time sitting in CLT it isn't a base so a crewroom isn't required. So now that you are thoroughly ****ed off and exhausted from sitting around, it is time to stroll to your gate for your GSO out and back. Uh Oh, plane is broken, your round trip is canceled. Well lets sit around CLT for 3 more hours getting paid $1.50 an hour perdiem. No cancellation pay, so we just lost 1:20!! Well, we had another 2:50 sit in CLT scheduled after our GSO round trip before our deadhead home. After sitting in CLT for 10+ hours making perdiem only, we are finally on our deadhead flight home. This flight is blocked at 1:25 but since it is a deadhead we are only paid for 75% of the block = 1:04. Total pay for the day - 2:24 flight pay, 13 hours taxable perdiem. My 2nd year FO made $95 for working a 13 hour day.
Weather we do or do not get 190s we need to make changes at this airline NOW! Otherwise this may be a day in the life years down the road for many of us. Do not accept a contract without:
- full deadhead pay
- cancellation pay
- some sort of trip or duty rigs
- significant pay increases
- better medical benefits
- etc etc etc
If we get 190s at this regional, those planes will never be at a mainline carrier. This in turn means there will be fewer mainline jobs for us in the future. If we are gonna be stuck here lets have some respect for ourselves and get an awesome contract so we aren't all miserable, crusty old people 20 years down the road. Have a great day everyone!!
It scares me to think that 20 years from now many of us may still be at RAH. Imagine, 20 years from now, that you are waking up at 3a.m. to make your usual 4:30a.m. showtime in CMH. You fly you EMB190 to CLT in 1:18 but get block or better so you get paid 1:20, cool. Now it is time to start your 4:25 sit. You spend your time in our "crewroom", the area up above the food court. You know where I'm talking about. I'm sure we still won't have a real crewroom because, although we spend a huge amount of time sitting in CLT it isn't a base so a crewroom isn't required. So now that you are thoroughly ****ed off and exhausted from sitting around, it is time to stroll to your gate for your GSO out and back. Uh Oh, plane is broken, your round trip is canceled. Well lets sit around CLT for 3 more hours getting paid $1.50 an hour perdiem. No cancellation pay, so we just lost 1:20!! Well, we had another 2:50 sit in CLT scheduled after our GSO round trip before our deadhead home. After sitting in CLT for 10+ hours making perdiem only, we are finally on our deadhead flight home. This flight is blocked at 1:25 but since it is a deadhead we are only paid for 75% of the block = 1:04. Total pay for the day - 2:24 flight pay, 13 hours taxable perdiem. My 2nd year FO made $95 for working a 13 hour day.
Weather we do or do not get 190s we need to make changes at this airline NOW! Otherwise this may be a day in the life years down the road for many of us. Do not accept a contract without:
- full deadhead pay
- cancellation pay
- some sort of trip or duty rigs
- significant pay increases
- better medical benefits
- etc etc etc
If we get 190s at this regional, those planes will never be at a mainline carrier. This in turn means there will be fewer mainline jobs for us in the future. If we are gonna be stuck here lets have some respect for ourselves and get an awesome contract so we aren't all miserable, crusty old people 20 years down the road. Have a great day everyone!!
04-15-2009, 07:26 AM
#189
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: Right...CL65
Posts: 279
I would personally be fine if Republic got 190s IF AND ONLY IF a LOT of things change at this airline.
It scares me to think that 20 years from now many of us may still be at RAH. Imagine, 20 years from now, that you are waking up at 3a.m. to make your usual 4:30a.m. showtime in CMH. You fly you EMB190 to CLT in 1:18 but get block or better so you get paid 1:20, cool. Now it is time to start your 4:25 sit. You spend your time in our "crewroom", the area up above the food court. You know where I'm talking about. I'm sure we still won't have a real crewroom because, although we spend a huge amount of time sitting in CLT it isn't a base so a crewroom isn't required. So now that you are thoroughly ****ed off and exhausted from sitting around, it is time to stroll to your gate for your GSO out and back. Uh Oh, plane is broken, your round trip is canceled. Well lets sit around CLT for 3 more hours getting paid $1.50 an hour perdiem. No cancellation pay, so we just lost 1:20!! Well, we had another 2:50 sit in CLT scheduled after our GSO round trip before our deadhead home. After sitting in CLT for 10+ hours making perdiem only, we are finally on our deadhead flight home. This flight is blocked at 1:25 but since it is a deadhead we are only paid for 75% of the block = 1:04. Total pay for the day - 2:24 flight pay, 13 hours taxable perdiem. My 2nd year FO made $95 for working a 13 hour day.
Weather we do or do not get 190s we need to make changes at this airline NOW! Otherwise this may be a day in the life years down the road for many of us. Do not accept a contract without:
- full deadhead pay
- cancellation pay
- some sort of trip or duty rigs
- significant pay increases
- better medical benefits
- etc etc etc
If we get 190s at this regional, those planes will never be at a mainline carrier. This in turn means there will be fewer mainline jobs for us in the future. If we are gonna be stuck here lets have some respect for ourselves and get an awesome contract so we aren't all miserable, crusty old people 20 years down the road. Have a great day everyone!!
It scares me to think that 20 years from now many of us may still be at RAH. Imagine, 20 years from now, that you are waking up at 3a.m. to make your usual 4:30a.m. showtime in CMH. You fly you EMB190 to CLT in 1:18 but get block or better so you get paid 1:20, cool. Now it is time to start your 4:25 sit. You spend your time in our "crewroom", the area up above the food court. You know where I'm talking about. I'm sure we still won't have a real crewroom because, although we spend a huge amount of time sitting in CLT it isn't a base so a crewroom isn't required. So now that you are thoroughly ****ed off and exhausted from sitting around, it is time to stroll to your gate for your GSO out and back. Uh Oh, plane is broken, your round trip is canceled. Well lets sit around CLT for 3 more hours getting paid $1.50 an hour perdiem. No cancellation pay, so we just lost 1:20!! Well, we had another 2:50 sit in CLT scheduled after our GSO round trip before our deadhead home. After sitting in CLT for 10+ hours making perdiem only, we are finally on our deadhead flight home. This flight is blocked at 1:25 but since it is a deadhead we are only paid for 75% of the block = 1:04. Total pay for the day - 2:24 flight pay, 13 hours taxable perdiem. My 2nd year FO made $95 for working a 13 hour day.
Weather we do or do not get 190s we need to make changes at this airline NOW! Otherwise this may be a day in the life years down the road for many of us. Do not accept a contract without:
- full deadhead pay
- cancellation pay
- some sort of trip or duty rigs
- significant pay increases
- better medical benefits
- etc etc etc
If we get 190s at this regional, those planes will never be at a mainline carrier. This in turn means there will be fewer mainline jobs for us in the future. If we are gonna be stuck here lets have some respect for ourselves and get an awesome contract so we aren't all miserable, crusty old people 20 years down the road. Have a great day everyone!!
04-15-2009, 07:36 AM
#190
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,026
I would personally be fine if Republic got 190s IF AND ONLY IF a LOT of things change at this airline.
It scares me to think that 20 years from now many of us may still be at RAH. Imagine, 20 years from now, that you are waking up at 3a.m. to make your usual 4:30a.m. showtime in CMH. You fly you EMB190 to CLT in 1:18 but get block or better so you get paid 1:20, cool. Now it is time to start your 4:25 sit. You spend your time in our "crewroom", the area up above the food court. You know where I'm talking about. I'm sure we still won't have a real crewroom because, although we spend a huge amount of time sitting in CLT it isn't a base so a crewroom isn't required. So now that you are thoroughly ****ed off and exhausted from sitting around, it is time to stroll to your gate for your GSO out and back. Uh Oh, plane is broken, your round trip is canceled. Well lets sit around CLT for 3 more hours getting paid $1.50 an hour perdiem. No cancellation pay, so we just lost 1:20!! Well, we had another 2:50 sit in CLT scheduled after our GSO round trip before our deadhead home. After sitting in CLT for 10+ hours making perdiem only, we are finally on our deadhead flight home. This flight is blocked at 1:25 but since it is a deadhead we are only paid for 75% of the block = 1:04. Total pay for the day - 2:24 flight pay, 13 hours taxable perdiem. My 2nd year FO made $95 for working a 13 hour day.
Weather we do or do not get 190s we need to make changes at this airline NOW! Otherwise this may be a day in the life years down the road for many of us. Do not accept a contract without:
- full deadhead pay
- cancellation pay
- some sort of trip or duty rigs
- significant pay increases
- better medical benefits
- etc etc etc
If we get 190s at this regional, those planes will never be at a mainline carrier. This in turn means there will be fewer mainline jobs for us in the future. If we are gonna be stuck here lets have some respect for ourselves and get an awesome contract so we aren't all miserable, crusty old people 20 years down the road. Have a great day everyone!!
It scares me to think that 20 years from now many of us may still be at RAH. Imagine, 20 years from now, that you are waking up at 3a.m. to make your usual 4:30a.m. showtime in CMH. You fly you EMB190 to CLT in 1:18 but get block or better so you get paid 1:20, cool. Now it is time to start your 4:25 sit. You spend your time in our "crewroom", the area up above the food court. You know where I'm talking about. I'm sure we still won't have a real crewroom because, although we spend a huge amount of time sitting in CLT it isn't a base so a crewroom isn't required. So now that you are thoroughly ****ed off and exhausted from sitting around, it is time to stroll to your gate for your GSO out and back. Uh Oh, plane is broken, your round trip is canceled. Well lets sit around CLT for 3 more hours getting paid $1.50 an hour perdiem. No cancellation pay, so we just lost 1:20!! Well, we had another 2:50 sit in CLT scheduled after our GSO round trip before our deadhead home. After sitting in CLT for 10+ hours making perdiem only, we are finally on our deadhead flight home. This flight is blocked at 1:25 but since it is a deadhead we are only paid for 75% of the block = 1:04. Total pay for the day - 2:24 flight pay, 13 hours taxable perdiem. My 2nd year FO made $95 for working a 13 hour day.
Weather we do or do not get 190s we need to make changes at this airline NOW! Otherwise this may be a day in the life years down the road for many of us. Do not accept a contract without:
- full deadhead pay
- cancellation pay
- some sort of trip or duty rigs
- significant pay increases
- better medical benefits
- etc etc etc
If we get 190s at this regional, those planes will never be at a mainline carrier. This in turn means there will be fewer mainline jobs for us in the future. If we are gonna be stuck here lets have some respect for ourselves and get an awesome contract so we aren't all miserable, crusty old people 20 years down the road. Have a great day everyone!!
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