It might be time to come to terms...
04-03-2009, 03:57 PM
#41
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Proven
The airlines have proven time and time again that when they come up short in pilots they will always lower minimums instead of increasing wages. The majors are the same.
Management is not about to surrender pay when there is a continuous flow of pilots who are willing to work for nothing. Market forces on wages are continually downward.
Skyhigh
Management is not about to surrender pay when there is a continuous flow of pilots who are willing to work for nothing. Market forces on wages are continually downward.
Skyhigh
04-04-2009, 06:25 AM
#44
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Some may think it's not worth it but the vast majority do think and beleive it and to them it's what matter's the most .
FRED
04-04-2009, 06:49 AM
#45
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04-04-2009, 07:33 AM
#46
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Not sure, but in my opinion we are probably the first generation of pilots that do not see a positive ending in sight for the vast majority of those that enter the industry. The friends I know that are the happiest in the airlines don't care about money, QOL, where they live, missing family/friend events, etc. Lets be honest, an airline career is considered positive when you still have a job no matter how many furloughs, displacements and paycuts you take. There will always be people who will roll the dice in the hopes that the career choice they make pays off, and for some it will and for some it won't...
04-04-2009, 07:49 AM
#47
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European pilots start flying their A320's with 300 hours in their logbook and they still are very well compensated from day one. Most first year European FO's make more than a 10 year regional Captain in the USA. I really don't think experience has anything to do with pay. American pilots accept pay cuts and Europeans don't... I would say that a combination of greed at executive level and RLA are the ones to blame. Also, becoming a pilot in Europe is a very expensive venture and they expect to be paid for it. Raising minimums won't change a thing.
04-04-2009, 12:13 PM
#48
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This is true but does not need to be the norm. If what you wanna do is FLY for a living, at LEAST make a living of it.
04-04-2009, 12:30 PM
#49
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The problem above all else, and I have said it before and will say it again, is that in general, people WANT to do this job. Therefore, wages will go down. The people who don't want to do the job are high enough on the list that they are stuck with it. But the desire to fly and do the job got them into it on day #1.
Many other careers feel like W-O-R-K. There is a huge weed-out factor involved in that and hence higher pay. Its economics 101, supply and demand.
If there were 2 pilots and 10 jobs, those 10 companies would be fighting over those 2 pilots. But with 10 pilots and 2 jobs, each company has five pilots each to chose from. They'll draw the line in the sand with pay and the one who yearns to "live the dream" the most will step up.
Many other careers feel like W-O-R-K. There is a huge weed-out factor involved in that and hence higher pay. Its economics 101, supply and demand.
If there were 2 pilots and 10 jobs, those 10 companies would be fighting over those 2 pilots. But with 10 pilots and 2 jobs, each company has five pilots each to chose from. They'll draw the line in the sand with pay and the one who yearns to "live the dream" the most will step up.
04-04-2009, 12:49 PM
#50
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The problem above all else, and I have said it before and will say it again, is that in general, people WANT to do this job. Therefore, wages will go down. The people who don't want to do the job are high enough on the list that they are stuck with it. But the desire to fly and do the job got them into it on day #1.
Many other careers feel like W-O-R-K. There is a huge weed-out factor involved in that and hence higher pay. Its economics 101, supply and demand.
If there were 2 pilots and 10 jobs, those 10 companies would be fighting over those 2 pilots. But with 10 pilots and 2 jobs, each company has five pilots each to chose from. They'll draw the line in the sand with pay and the one who yearns to "live the dream" the most will step up.
Many other careers feel like W-O-R-K. There is a huge weed-out factor involved in that and hence higher pay. Its economics 101, supply and demand.
If there were 2 pilots and 10 jobs, those 10 companies would be fighting over those 2 pilots. But with 10 pilots and 2 jobs, each company has five pilots each to chose from. They'll draw the line in the sand with pay and the one who yearns to "live the dream" the most will step up.
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