powrful1

I am sorry for those who were in training that got shown the door...lesson learned. I am actually surprised Mesa didn't terminate right there....but with anticipated attrition I can understand why HR wouldn't want to cut ties with those who would drive to the bottom.....to all those who are out, or about to be out of jobs for a while keep up the good fight.

AirbornPegasus

You have to give some of the other Regionals credit -- RAH gave their guys 60 days notice when they dropped the F-Bomb last year. 2 weeks notice sucks. Good luck to all the guys hitting the streets. We pray for all of you and all the guys already on the street.

hockeypilot44

Republic sent home pilots in training with no notice. These pilots were technically fired with no recall rights. The guys flying the line were given 60 days notice, but it's still not right. Some of those pilots quit other jobs to go to Republic.

DublinFlyer

So what's the proper procedure for furloughs?

Back last may, I received a WARN letter of a possible impending furlough. It said by law the company had to give me 30 days.

What's the deal with this WARN act? How can they just walk in a class and send people home?

This whole thing is just BS. We NEED those pilots on property. We are certainly not properly staffed on the Freedom side, and I doubt we are on the Mesa side as everything I try to swap gets denied.

sidestep

Dublin - how can you not see that this is a clear by-product of the PBS software. PBS allows the company to assign open time during intial bidding, negating the need for additional rsv staffing. This fact was brought up when this POS TA was being SOLD to the pilot group.

hyperboy

First of all!


For the company]PBS creates the line solution for each crewmember in one process without the need of pre-built bid lines and the secondary process, such as trading awarded lines. It saves operation cost by eliminating the conflict between the pre-built bid lines with the existing carry-in and pre-assigned activities and by reducing the amount of reserve crewmembers needed, especially at the beginning of the bid month. In addition, due to the simplified process, it leaves extra time for crew planners to handle last minute schedule change.

I voted "NO" for the TA! If you don't believe that PBS runs more efficient then read above. Please tell me you don't think that the company wants it so BAD cause it's less efficient. Now it's on property. They need it more than we do.
Remember they tried to dangle 737 for PBS about 5 years ago.


If we feel so bad for the furlooughs lets squash the PBS RIGHT NOW! The Poison pill lasts for 1 year. They have invested lots of money in this we all know that, THIS IS LEVERAGE! The company did not want the stigma of furloughs with PBS (and the new contract) so they had to wait a couple of months. The company has not paid us for 902. They said they exhausted all means to prevent a furlough but they did not talk to the union about it? Come on look at this. They (the company) just tossed a torch on OUR straw house. What are we gonna do?

NoJoy

The above sounds good in principle, but I don't think it will happen. AND there still will be pilots picking up open time with more furloughs hitting the streets! Do you have your "400" sticker yet?

DublinFlyer

I was going to have to fly with a captain for a round trip on Sunday that likes to pick up open time (and I'm sure he picked that up to, because it was part of a line). I already gave this guy hell once, maybe he saw I was on the schedule and got rid of it. Makes me so angry. I was looking forward to that one round trip. This one guy is a 7-8 year captain, he has a business on the side, AND he picks up open time. Greedy and selfish.

I don't have a problem with picking up open time to get back to minimum guarantee (after say, you swapped a trip that now put you below it by 4-5 hours - that's okay in my book). But picking up open time ON TOP of what you were awarded is NOT okay. I have never picked up ANY open time, or volunteered for any flying. It bothers the hell out of me that there are a bunch of pilots who do it, and who do not give a crap about their fellow pilots. I am not blaming them for the furlough directly, but they are certainly NOT helping it.

SpiraMirabilis

WARN act only protects against mass lay offs. I don't believe 100 pilots (7-10%) meets the criteria. Interestingly enough, everyone has always said that PBS reduces your staffing requirements by about 5-10%.

Reds

IAH, doesn't look like the cash flow question was answered. Sure, Mesa had an operating net income in their fiscal 1st qtr ended 12/31/08, however they still have negative cash flow of $645K. I didn't look at their future note and debt/principle commitments in 2009, but they will not have positive cash flow unless those go down. So as of the 12/31/08 10Q they are still losing cash (not bashing, I'm indifferent, these are just facts).

see pages 5-6 of the 10Q: http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/cgi/image?...=1&xbrl=0&dn=2