Mesa / Mokulele terminate code share
03-25-2009, 07:01 AM
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Here's the lowdown as I understand it. Mesa and Mokulele were going to sever ties anyhow. Because Mokulele had trouble paying RAH last month, there was wide speculation on the island that Mokulele may go under. This seriously affected Mokulele's bookings, as people were nervious. Mesa's early "termination" is an attempt to further spook people out of purchassing tickets on Mokulele - by making them look undesireable by one of their business partners. It's a brilliant move on the part of JO. In this industry, perception is so crucial.
There are no people to scare. The planes are empty. HA domination.
03-27-2009, 12:02 PM
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Regarding the $400k, Mesa lost the check for the fuel. And because it was such a large check, getting it recut just isn't that easy.
RW took control of some of Bill Boyer's stock, who now only owns 25% of the company and RW has 50% of the stock, with the balance going to the other smaller investors.
The loads are building, however they were fairly decent for February, YV's claims they were 20% are off significantly.. try closer to 50%. The caravan ops are also doing quite well - while some days are better than others, MW has had 100% loads on a few days on the weekend. So this isn't a sinking ship.
RW took control of some of Bill Boyer's stock, who now only owns 25% of the company and RW has 50% of the stock, with the balance going to the other smaller investors.
The loads are building, however they were fairly decent for February, YV's claims they were 20% are off significantly.. try closer to 50%. The caravan ops are also doing quite well - while some days are better than others, MW has had 100% loads on a few days on the weekend. So this isn't a sinking ship.
03-27-2009, 05:02 PM
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And now we're codesharing with Island Air in violation with our scope clause of our contract? At the same time they've already got 64 guys furloughed and another 100 on theway. And the aircraft that Island Air flies? Dash-8. WHY THAT IS COINCIDENTAL! That's also an aircraft I fly! For a couple more weeks anyway.
03-27-2009, 06:10 PM
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Regarding the $400k, Mesa lost the check for the fuel. And because it was such a large check, getting it recut just isn't that easy.
RW took control of some of Bill Boyer's stock, who now only owns 25% of the company and RW has 50% of the stock, with the balance going to the other smaller investors.
The loads are building, however they were fairly decent for February, YV's claims they were 20% are off significantly.. try closer to 50%. The caravan ops are also doing quite well - while some days are better than others, MW has had 100% loads on a few days on the weekend. So this isn't a sinking ship.
RW took control of some of Bill Boyer's stock, who now only owns 25% of the company and RW has 50% of the stock, with the balance going to the other smaller investors.
The loads are building, however they were fairly decent for February, YV's claims they were 20% are off significantly.. try closer to 50%. The caravan ops are also doing quite well - while some days are better than others, MW has had 100% loads on a few days on the weekend. So this isn't a sinking ship.
Word has it JO and BB sued each other. That lost check is really lost for months. Other Airlines are counting pax and bags with different numbers than yours. Hard to sink a caravan when you can not fly over water farther than it can glide back to solid land. BB said on a morning tV news show he was running at 90% and at the same time asking for investors. I guess his family has a new big daddy. He must have been talking about his caravans. How many is that? 8 people??
03-28-2009, 07:40 AM
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And now we're codesharing with Island Air in violation with our scope clause of our contract? At the same time they've already got 64 guys furloughed and another 100 on theway. And the aircraft that Island Air flies? Dash-8. WHY THAT IS COINCIDENTAL! That's also an aircraft I fly! For a couple more weeks anyway.
03-28-2009, 07:42 AM
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well when you launch a "new" carrier into a market that's never heard of you (Lihue) with 9 flights a day (also his home), you wonder how much cash you burn thru by flying only 4 to 5 people a flight. The launch is what killed the cash. Remember, go! launched with really really heavy load factors and had about a 6 month build... Moku only did a 30 days build and LF's in the toilet. The excuse we heard was "its a holiday, flights will be full"... turned out to only be a few - while the Caravans were running at 90-100% full. However, the person that did all of that is gone from Moku's payroll.
Kona and Maui have been the strongest of the jet flights, and that's because Mokulele's "operational" home is Kona and they've been flying to Maui for about 5 years, so the folks there knew him.
The Caravan ops have been running quite well, when a select few pilots aren't blowing tires, and maintenance gets the support to keep'em all flying. The loads on the Caravans are between 60 - 80% on the average. Honolulu-Molokai is going to be at 10 flights a day this summer, so they're doing something right, and Kona - Maui should be around 8 or 9.
However, it will take a lot of caravan flying to offset the losses of an EMB 170.
Regarding the Scope Clause in the go! Express operation, I think that JO has felt he can 'ignore it' - isn't that his modus operandus?
Kona and Maui have been the strongest of the jet flights, and that's because Mokulele's "operational" home is Kona and they've been flying to Maui for about 5 years, so the folks there knew him.
The Caravan ops have been running quite well, when a select few pilots aren't blowing tires, and maintenance gets the support to keep'em all flying. The loads on the Caravans are between 60 - 80% on the average. Honolulu-Molokai is going to be at 10 flights a day this summer, so they're doing something right, and Kona - Maui should be around 8 or 9.
However, it will take a lot of caravan flying to offset the losses of an EMB 170.
Regarding the Scope Clause in the go! Express operation, I think that JO has felt he can 'ignore it' - isn't that his modus operandus?
03-28-2009, 07:47 AM
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03-28-2009, 08:55 AM
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"The MEC is concerned with the recent flying of Island Air 35-seat, not 10-seat aircraft. To be clear, the MEC did not grant the company permission to enter into this partnership and did not grant the company relief on our Scope clause.
At this time, there is no indication that this flying violates our Scope clause as the Island Air planes will not operate go! routes or city pairings. However, we are monitoring this situation closely and will file a grievance if necessary. Such a grievance would be expedited, as stated in Section 1.E. (Remedies) of our contract: "
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03-28-2009, 11:04 AM
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It's semantics. The only reason they're not "our" routes is because Island Air is flying them. If they weren't flying them we would have to, at least with a couple of them, to remain competitive. It's an equivilant of United dropping a city pair entirely on mainline so they can have outsourced 757s fly it.
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