What would it take?
03-22-2009, 11:35 PM
#21
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Join the real world. Wishing and threatening people is not going to make Gojet go away. Nobody cares about a little feud, because that's what it is. There is absolutely no legal basis to back anything up on GJ. It's just all feelings and opinions. The fact is that it's not an alterego, it's unionized and it's flying that is NOT TSA's and more importantly it's not struck work. Beyond the facts no body cares, and it shows. Now when push comes to shove, we really see how much pilots care about one another before themselves. They don't. Many former airline and furloughed have flocked to GJ, from every regional and furloughed major. I'm sure everybody is for unity though, everyone says it......
03-23-2009, 05:54 AM
#22
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Posts: 61
Really, people, really?
A question about the state of the industry as a whole, and what it would take to give up the dream of flying has turned into a GJ bashing thread.
I understand your frustrations, but seriously, the problems in this industry go way deeper than any one airline, "alter ego" or otherwise. If you can't help but see everything through the lens of GJ and what personally happened to you...that is unfortunate.
A question about the state of the industry as a whole, and what it would take to give up the dream of flying has turned into a GJ bashing thread.
I understand your frustrations, but seriously, the problems in this industry go way deeper than any one airline, "alter ego" or otherwise. If you can't help but see everything through the lens of GJ and what personally happened to you...that is unfortunate.
03-23-2009, 05:56 AM
#23
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Position: Furlough
Posts: 86
Don't be so sure, it's because you have a job.
Join the real world. Wishing and threatening people is not going to make Gojet go away. Nobody cares about a little feud, because that's what it is. There is absolutely no legal basis to back anything up on GJ. It's just all feelings and opinions. The fact is that it's not an alterego, it's unionized and it's flying that is NOT TSA's and more importantly it's not struck work. Beyond the facts no body cares, and it shows. Now when push comes to shove, we really see how much pilots care about one another before themselves. They don't. Many former airline and furloughed have flocked to GJ, from every regional and furloughed major. I'm sure everybody is for unity though, everyone says it......
Join the real world. Wishing and threatening people is not going to make Gojet go away. Nobody cares about a little feud, because that's what it is. There is absolutely no legal basis to back anything up on GJ. It's just all feelings and opinions. The fact is that it's not an alterego, it's unionized and it's flying that is NOT TSA's and more importantly it's not struck work. Beyond the facts no body cares, and it shows. Now when push comes to shove, we really see how much pilots care about one another before themselves. They don't. Many former airline and furloughed have flocked to GJ, from every regional and furloughed major. I'm sure everybody is for unity though, everyone says it......
I lost my job and there is no way in hell that I would go to the "alter-ego" because it devalues the regional industry, and hurts the chances of the other side of the company to fight for what is right. I know that 121 jobs are next to impossible but I am going to wait out my furlough or take a job with another carrier that has respect for the industry. At least when I was flying I did not have to hide my employee badge. Usually anyone that has any grasp of union labor and the airlines will think something is strange when 1 parent company holds two separate companies with 2 different seniority lists 2 different unions for representation and crap pay scale. Does this remind anyone else of Frank Lorenzo?
03-23-2009, 06:00 AM
#24
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: Furlough
Posts: 86
Really, people, really?
A question about the state of the industry as a whole, and what it would take to give up the dream of flying has turned into a GJ bashing thread.
I understand your frustrations, but seriously, the problems in this industry go way deeper than any one airline, "alter ego" or otherwise. If you can't help but see everything through the lens of GJ and what personally happened to you...that is unfortunate.
A question about the state of the industry as a whole, and what it would take to give up the dream of flying has turned into a GJ bashing thread.
I understand your frustrations, but seriously, the problems in this industry go way deeper than any one airline, "alter ego" or otherwise. If you can't help but see everything through the lens of GJ and what personally happened to you...that is unfortunate.
Unfortunatly GoJet/TSA is a problem in the industry and we are just laying out our opinion and some facts to help this person make the most educated decision.
03-23-2009, 08:10 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,258
That's not what this has become my friend. We have all read the GoJet bashing threads, and this is very quickly becoming one of them. I think anyone that has read my posts knows that I don't chime in to the public bashing of anyone very often (I'm honestly not sure I have done it at all here). Let's leave the alter-ego airline question to the response that the OP wanted, not a bashing frenzy. There's not going to be any point to this thread if it turns into yet another public bashing.
Oh, and SAAB ... I was one of those "shame on you..." people who graduated with an Aviation Sciences degree
That was simply due to the fact that I would have rather shot myself than sit through another Economics course, lol. I am planning to go back and get a degree in Meteorology though sometime. I would love to have a backup degree there 
Oh, and SAAB ... I was one of those "shame on you..." people who graduated with an Aviation Sciences degree
That was simply due to the fact that I would have rather shot myself than sit through another Economics course, lol. I am planning to go back and get a degree in Meteorology though sometime. I would love to have a backup degree there
03-23-2009, 08:40 AM
#26
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Wish i had a backup degree, on the contrary, they're often not practical for someone to get. I once pursued a double major (aviation/automotive design) but got out for the sake of graduating. Luckily, my aviation degree has helped to find me other work, and i might have found myself struggling with the automotive degree in the current climate, not to mention how competitive it is for jobs in that sector. A degree in something that's really grounded is typically a good bet, or, training in something that will be needed in the future; Teachers, nurses, etc.
Because of my situation (being at Trans States) i can say that I wasn't interested in an alter ego type operation. (i'll leave the flaming aside, don't want to destroy this thread) However, each situation is different. I didn't start looking for another job when I heard they might be furloughing, instead, i began looking well before that, when things seemed like they MIGHT get rough around here. On advice from my wife, i interviewed with the company (last year) even though i was still flying from the captains seat, and would be looking at a pay cut to make the move. Honestly, I'm lucky that i began looking at things so far out, cause if it I hadn't, I'd would have found myself commuting to a far away base, with everyone else, being on reserve, and supporting the family on FO pay. Each situation is different, but my advice would be to always keep your options and your sights open.
Also, if you don't think you can find another job because you have a degree in aviation (which we've all come to think of as useless), then you need to dig deeper into your job responsibilities at work. Also, take a look at Sully's resume, (it was posted somewhere) many of us could use many of his same descriptors to define our job experience in our own aviation careers. Don't sell yourselves short.
Because of my situation (being at Trans States) i can say that I wasn't interested in an alter ego type operation. (i'll leave the flaming aside, don't want to destroy this thread) However, each situation is different. I didn't start looking for another job when I heard they might be furloughing, instead, i began looking well before that, when things seemed like they MIGHT get rough around here. On advice from my wife, i interviewed with the company (last year) even though i was still flying from the captains seat, and would be looking at a pay cut to make the move. Honestly, I'm lucky that i began looking at things so far out, cause if it I hadn't, I'd would have found myself commuting to a far away base, with everyone else, being on reserve, and supporting the family on FO pay. Each situation is different, but my advice would be to always keep your options and your sights open.
Also, if you don't think you can find another job because you have a degree in aviation (which we've all come to think of as useless), then you need to dig deeper into your job responsibilities at work. Also, take a look at Sully's resume, (it was posted somewhere) many of us could use many of his same descriptors to define our job experience in our own aviation careers. Don't sell yourselves short.
03-23-2009, 01:56 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Ex Waterskier
Posts: 12
Where's a violin when you need one. Notice how you're making it seem like your problems are because of GJ. You're going to take your whining into the real world as well huh? It's time to take personal responsibility. Good thing you're going to be management maybe you can start your own very pilot firendly airline where everyone makes bank and have limited scope. Good luck champ!!
By the way, what is "firendly?"
When I do start a pilot friendly airline you cannot come because you cannot spell. At least you’ll fit in at GJ, genius.
03-23-2009, 05:40 PM
#29
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Uh, I did take responsibility: I applied to awesome schools and now I am starting an awesome career, which is awesome.
By the way, what is "firendly?"
When I do start a pilot friendly airline you cannot come because you cannot spell. At least you’ll fit in at GJ, genius.
By the way, what is "firendly?"
When I do start a pilot friendly airline you cannot come because you cannot spell. At least you’ll fit in at GJ, genius.
03-23-2009, 06:16 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,498
If furloughed I would ride the unemployment wave and go back to school for either 1.) Business MGNT 2.) ATC or 3) Join the Air Force. You can become an Officer up the the age of 35 (I think) but I'd probably want to become a controller or MX that way if I can't fly'em, I can either direct them or fix them. Just my .02
