TSA/ Go Jet integration sticker
03-13-2009, 01:08 PM
#51
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Don't take me out of context. I will not fly struck work. I said it would be more expensive to give GoJet TSA flying than it would be for TSA to get a raise. GoJet has 50 seat rates in their contract that are greater than TSA's. If TSA goes on strike, Chautaqua and anyone else will pick up some 50 seat flying for United. I guess that will be different though because "it's not their choice," "it's managment." Just like when Republic started flying for Midwest or Skywest for Skyway.
03-13-2009, 01:38 PM
#52
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Ok here is some food for thought. And in no way do I agree with this type of behavior in any way. But hypothetically speaking what if company "A" Goes on strike and work is offered to company "B" to compesate for the strtike. How many people at company "B" would refuse to come to work of go on strike. Yeah alot of people might agree that it's wrong and it is. But how many people would actually stand up and refuse to fly. When it comes to the bottom line, that is having a job, not alot of people would protest. I know there is a rumor at XJT among some pilots going on, that the Flying we did for united in Early 2008 will come into play later this year when TSA will be dissolved and XJT will fly their planes. I know i am probably not a highly respected member on this board due to some points of view that some people might disagree with. But here is my point, just like most companies out there that only care about their bottom line, same rule applies to alot of people on personal level as well. Threaten someones job and they will do what you want therm to do, even if it's immoral or wrong. The bottom line is what people care about. Everything else is just for the show. Again not something that I beleive is right, just speaking from experiance of dealing with people.
03-13-2009, 01:56 PM
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Ok here is some food for thought. And in no way do I agree with this type of behavior in any way. But hypothetically speaking what if company "A" Goes on strike and work is offered to company "B" to compesate for the strtike. How many people at company "B" would refuse to come to work of go on strike. Yeah alot of people might agree that it's wrong and it is. But how many people would actually stand up and refuse to fly. When it comes to the bottom line, that is having a job, not alot of people would protest. I know there is a rumor at XJT among some pilots going on, that the Flying we did for united in Early 2008 will come into play later this year when TSA will be dissolved and XJT will fly their planes. I know i am probably not a highly respected member on this board due to some points of view that some people might disagree with. But here is my point, just like most companies out there that only care about their bottom line, same rule applies to alot of people on personal level as well. Threaten someones job and they will do what you want therm to do, even if it's immoral or wrong. The bottom line is what people care about. Everything else is just for the show. Again not something that I beleive is right, just speaking from experiance of dealing with people.
03-13-2009, 02:04 PM
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Maybe I am off base here but it looks like tsa is going down anyhow. If all the TSA pilots would come together and not move an airplane on time for just one day management may notice that you have some unity and start listening. Because when today's delays are 5 minutes and tomorrows are 10 and so on the code shares are going to make TSA do something about it or Hulas is going to loose the flying. They can't give all the flying to go jet that quick, they are going to have to meet some demands and if they don't what do you have to loose, they certainly can't fire everyone. We are no more unified at RW but at the moment we don't have fire fight on our hands. Not criticizing, just saying...
03-13-2009, 02:21 PM
#55
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Ok here is some food for thought. And in no way do I agree with this type of behavior in any way. But hypothetically speaking what if company "A" Goes on strike and work is offered to company "B" to compesate for the strtike. How many people at company "B" would refuse to come to work of go on strike. Yeah alot of people might agree that it's wrong and it is. But how many people would actually stand up and refuse to fly. When it comes to the bottom line, that is having a job, not alot of people would protest. I know there is a rumor at XJT among some pilots going on, that the Flying we did for united in Early 2008 will come into play later this year when TSA will be dissolved and XJT will fly their planes. I know i am probably not a highly respected member on this board due to some points of view that some people might disagree with. But here is my point, just like most companies out there that only care about their bottom line, same rule applies to alot of people on personal level as well. Threaten someones job and they will do what you want therm to do, even if it's immoral or wrong. The bottom line is what people care about. Everything else is just for the show. Again not something that I beleive is right, just speaking from experiance of dealing with people.
I stick to my previous prediction that you will end up on a scab list before your career is over.
Maybe I am off base here but it looks like tsa is going down anyhow. If all the TSA pilots would come together and not move an airplane on time for just one day management may notice that you have some unity and start listening. Because when today's delays are 5 minutes and tomorrows are 10 and so on the code shares are going to make TSA do something about it or Hulas is going to loose the flying. They can't give all the flying to go jet that quick, they are going to have to meet some demands and if they don't what do you have to loose, they certainly can't fire everyone. We are no more unified at RW but at the moment we don't have fire fight on our hands. Not criticizing, just saying...
03-13-2009, 03:50 PM
#56
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Maybe I am off base here but it looks like tsa is going down anyhow. If all the TSA pilots would come together and not move an airplane on time for just one day management may notice that you have some unity and start listening. Because when today's delays are 5 minutes and tomorrows are 10 and so on the code shares are going to make TSA do something about it or Hulas is going to loose the flying. They can't give all the flying to go jet that quick, they are going to have to meet some demands and if they don't what do you have to loose, they certainly can't fire everyone. We are no more unified at RW but at the moment we don't have fire fight on our hands. Not criticizing, just saying...
No man, you're right, the NMB (who is on our side and basically waiting for Obama's Dem nominee) wouldn't think this is a job action.
03-13-2009, 04:09 PM
#57
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Ok here is some food for thought. And in no way do I agree with this type of behavior in any way. But hypothetically speaking what if company "A" Goes on strike and work is offered to company "B" to compesate for the strtike. How many people at company "B" would refuse to come to work of go on strike. Yeah alot of people might agree that it's wrong and it is. But how many people would actually stand up and refuse to fly. When it comes to the bottom line, that is having a job, not alot of people would protest. I know there is a rumor at XJT among some pilots going on, that the Flying we did for united in Early 2008 will come into play later this year when TSA will be dissolved and XJT will fly their planes. I know i am probably not a highly respected member on this board due to some points of view that some people might disagree with. But here is my point, just like most companies out there that only care about their bottom line, same rule applies to alot of people on personal level as well. Threaten someones job and they will do what you want therm to do, even if it's immoral or wrong. The bottom line is what people care about. Everything else is just for the show. Again not something that I beleive is right, just speaking from experiance of dealing with people.
03-13-2009, 11:09 PM
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You can't have your union organize it (thats a job action), it's got to be done quietly among your "together" pilot group. There is no one able to pick up that much flying at a moments notice so they can't cover it. Hell if comes too it start writing up all the stuff that should be written up in the first place. There are 20 ways to ground an ERJ, I am told.
Then again, all of us are sideline quaterbacking, If we don't work at TSA we should just shut up. I'll go first.
03-14-2009, 01:42 AM
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I didn't mean to imply that the TSA pilots are not together, and it should be immediately picked up as a job action. What are they going to do, call Reagan in to fire everyone, they are already giving your flying away. What do you have too loose.
You can't have your union organize it (thats a job action), it's got to be done quietly among your "together" pilot group. There is no one able to pick up that much flying at a moments notice so they can't cover it. Hell if comes too it start writing up all the stuff that should be written up in the first place. There are 20 ways to ground an ERJ, I am told.
Then again, all of us are sideline quaterbacking, If we don't work at TSA we should just shut up. I'll go first.
You can't have your union organize it (thats a job action), it's got to be done quietly among your "together" pilot group. There is no one able to pick up that much flying at a moments notice so they can't cover it. Hell if comes too it start writing up all the stuff that should be written up in the first place. There are 20 ways to ground an ERJ, I am told.
Then again, all of us are sideline quaterbacking, If we don't work at TSA we should just shut up. I'll go first.
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03-14-2009, 06:36 AM
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