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Be careful what you wish for...I would bet the "first few" to cross the line would be your own. Look at the "first few" that came here when GJ started.

IBPilot

you can thank those TSA furloghees for your job....
When airline "B" is formed at the expense of airline "A", and all new growth is at airline B, and everyone at airline B knew this, it would be awesome karma to have those furloghees back at their rightful job, instead of new hires. If a GJ CA gets displaced? oh well, he should have known that might be a possibility, having taken that job from someone else in the first place, said airlines might eventually merge...
Not directed at all GJ'ers., just shooting some holes in this dudes argument.

Now where

The dude is an Ahole and does not share sentiments with most of us high time guys over at GJ. Like I said before, none of us will be crossing anything.

SpiraMirabilis

Post was removed due to "inappropriate language" which I didn't think I used, so I'm going to try it again by substituting any controversial words with uncontroversial words.

I can not even believe I am hearing the protestations of "but that will screw over GoJet." That makes me want to throw up. You represent all that is bad in this profession and represent the failure of trade unionism. You are all union busters, essentially. I work at Mesa, which is STILL suffering from the formation of Freedom Airlines which is exactly the same as GJ. We got the best scope language in the industry at the cost of almost everything else and we're just now getting to a contract that has most everything one would expect in an airline contract. You are all in the same boat as all the Freedom A listers and will be until your seniority list is integrated with all pilots at "Trans States Holdings".

I'm sorry if the above sounds too hostile or mean. With all that said I don't approve of denying jumpseats to GJ guys (or anyone that hasn't crossed a picket line, I'm not all that militant yet.)

If it is true that GJ side did want to integrate and TSA did not (until recently) then while this doesn't wash away the sin of GJ's creation it does mean that at least you guys want to do the right thing. Most of you guys anyway (except Xelectro that is.)

250 or point 65

Are you high right now?

laserman2431

In 2005 the NMB denied ALPA's single carrier claim. Among the many reasons cited by the NMB were the differences between the MESA/Freedom and the TSA/GoJet cituation:

"While ALPA relies on Mesa Airlines, Inc., CCAir, Inc., Air Midwest, Inc., 29 NMB 359 (2002) for support that GoJet and TSA constitute a single system, the facts of that case are inapposite. In Mesa, the Board made a single carrier finding because of the following factors: all three carriers were wholly owned by Mesa Air Group, Inc. (MAG); MAG’s website contained information about each of the carriers, including type of aircraft, number of employees, and daily departure schedules --presenting a public image of a single transportation system; applicants could apply for positions at any of the three carriers online through the MAG website; and labor relations at the three carriers was centralized, evidenced by the fact that the Flight Deck Crewmembers craft or class at two of the carriers were covered by the same CBA, and the heavy involvement of MAG’s CEO in contract negotiations and the overall labor relations at the three carriers. Id. at 368-380.
Here, while GoJet and TSA are both owned by TSH, there are no other similarities to the facts in the Mesa Airlines, Inc., above, decision. GoJet and TSA have their own websites with no information about each other or links to each other. Applicants for positions at either Carrier must apply through the designated web address or mail address, and each Carrier’s website lists only its job openings. Additionally, labor relations are handled separately at GoJet and TSA: with separate management teams; separate wages, benefits and terms and conditions of employment; and separate seniority lists and employee rosters."

SpiraMirabilis

You're saying it's not a single carrier because you have 2 websites? Are these two websites hosted on the same computer? That is sarcasm by the way, I don't really want to know. It's sarcasm because the ludicrously small expense of an extra website doesn't make you a seperate entity. My cat can have two websites, it doesn't make her two cats. Seperate management teams? Really? Here I thought what HK says goes on both TSA and GoJets. Which of the airlines does Hulas run?

TrevorW

Don't take me out of context. I will not fly struck work. I said it would be more expensive to give GoJet TSA flying than it would be for TSA to get a raise. GoJet has 50 seat rates in their contract that are greater than TSA's. If TSA goes on strike, Chautaqua and anyone else will pick up some 50 seat flying for United. I guess that will be different though because "it's not their choice," "it's managment." Just like when Republic started flying for Midwest or Skywest for Skyway.

laserman2431

Just to clarify, These are not my determinations but what was stated by the National Mediation Board when they decided that GoJet and TSA are two separate companies.

I think TSH could easily integrate the two companies if they wanted to. The question is "why would they want to?"

SpiraMirabilis

I wonder what the NMB would say now that it isn't run by Bush cronies?