New Minimums For All
03-07-2009, 11:54 AM
#91
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When I got hired at S5 last year I had over 2700 hours... nearly all multi....
I think the mins for a regional AIRLINE pilot should be an ATP end of story.
You want to be an AIRLINE pilot you should have an AIRLINE Transport Pilot Certificate...... thats just my thought.
I think the mins for a regional AIRLINE pilot should be an ATP end of story.
You want to be an AIRLINE pilot you should have an AIRLINE Transport Pilot Certificate...... thats just my thought.
03-07-2009, 11:59 AM
#92
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When I got hired at S5 last year I had over 2700 hours... nearly all multi....
I think the mins for a regional AIRLINE pilot should be an ATP end of story.
You want to be an AIRLINE pilot you should have an AIRLINE Transport Pilot Certificate...... thats just my thought.
I think the mins for a regional AIRLINE pilot should be an ATP end of story.
You want to be an AIRLINE pilot you should have an AIRLINE Transport Pilot Certificate...... thats just my thought.
Herc whats your justification for the ATP and not a Comm Multi Inst...reason I ask is that If we took that approach then why dont we bar the JAA frozen ATP holder from Flying Transport Category in our airspace
03-07-2009, 12:20 PM
#93
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Attention Folks!
......Your probably wondering were I'm going with this and I'm not quite sure my self. What I think I'm trying to say is that we can discuss all day long about what the magic number should be, but in the end it probably has more to do with each persons individual character rather than their specific experience.
.......but judgement is what makes a pilot. Some of that you can teach, alot of it you can't. This maybe a hard pill for some people to swallow, but the hard truth is that good pilots, as well as bad, exist at all ages, experience levels, and job descriptions.
Unfortunately, as I think all of us can agree, the system the airlines use to weed through applicants is flawed. There's a tremendous amount of emphasis put on experience and other factors, rather than on the individual. When I interviewed at the regional I worked for, it lasted 5 minutes. In and out, sim ride, offer 2 days later. I could have been a crackhead jonesing for a fix, and I don't think they would have noticed. I personally would much rather be judged by a potential employer by my charcter, rather than my experience, regardless of how much I have.
......Your probably wondering were I'm going with this and I'm not quite sure my self. What I think I'm trying to say is that we can discuss all day long about what the magic number should be, but in the end it probably has more to do with each persons individual character rather than their specific experience.
.......but judgement is what makes a pilot. Some of that you can teach, alot of it you can't. This maybe a hard pill for some people to swallow, but the hard truth is that good pilots, as well as bad, exist at all ages, experience levels, and job descriptions.
Unfortunately, as I think all of us can agree, the system the airlines use to weed through applicants is flawed. There's a tremendous amount of emphasis put on experience and other factors, rather than on the individual. When I interviewed at the regional I worked for, it lasted 5 minutes. In and out, sim ride, offer 2 days later. I could have been a crackhead jonesing for a fix, and I don't think they would have noticed. I personally would much rather be judged by a potential employer by my charcter, rather than my experience, regardless of how much I have.
Well said.
atp
03-07-2009, 12:24 PM
#94
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I applied to United back in 1977. At that time they only required 300 hours TT. I had more than that, but back then it was my vision (glasses) that kept me out. They sent me back a form letter with all the requirements, and that one was circled with a big red highlighter basically saying "Sorry buddy!"
03-07-2009, 02:15 PM
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I applied to United back in 1977. At that time they only required 300 hours TT. I had more than that, but back then it was my vision (glasses) that kept me out. They sent me back a form letter with all the requirements, and that one was circled with a big red highlighter basically saying "Sorry buddy!"
03-07-2009, 02:48 PM
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I applied to United back in 1977. At that time they only required 300 hours TT. I had more than that, but back then it was my vision (glasses) that kept me out. They sent me back a form letter with all the requirements, and that one was circled with a big red highlighter basically saying "Sorry buddy!"
Wow that is amazing. To think you could work at a major with that much time. I think thats how much time my grandpa had when he was hired at Capitol Airlines back in the late 50's. 300 hr wonders in a 4 engine piston aircraft with no autopilot....airlines must have been super unsafe back then...(sarcasm)
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03-07-2009, 02:57 PM
#97
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CFIed to about 1800tt, 450 multi ($16k in in '97)
Freight dog in a Caravan - 800 ($20-24k in 98-99)
Air ambulance in a 421 - 2000 ($36-50k 2000-07)
Misc Corporate - 200 (depending on ac, $250- 400 per day)
Hired into a Saab 340 with 5400 tt and 2500 multi ($20k last year)
Freight dog in a Caravan - 800 ($20-24k in 98-99)
Air ambulance in a 421 - 2000 ($36-50k 2000-07)
Misc Corporate - 200 (depending on ac, $250- 400 per day)
Hired into a Saab 340 with 5400 tt and 2500 multi ($20k last year)
Sorry man but you sound lame asking FO's for a regional to have 5000/2000. I think 98% on here think those are far fetched and the only reason why you chose those numbers is because you have them.
Something tells me if you had 6050/3000 when going to Colgan you would want mins to be 6000/3000..just a guess
03-07-2009, 03:00 PM
#98
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Honestly, I do not think you will find honesty here
03-07-2009, 04:01 PM
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That sounds low
300 hours TT may have been the minimum to apply, but I'd be surprised if anyone actually got a job with the majors during that era unless they had several times that amount or unless there were "special circumstances". The market was flooded with ex-military guys from the post-Vietnam drawdown, and my 1979 DAL class averaged over 1500 hours turbine time. In the early/mid 1960s, yes, they were taking guys with only a few hundred hours.
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