APM145

Any furloughed Gulfstream airline pilots on here?

I am curious about the number of FO's at GIA that are on Furlough...

Just saw that that airline is offering "Intern" pilot positions... They state you pay them to train in their airline training program and they will give you 250 hours of flight time flying passengers around as an "intern" pilot.



...I know that in the past (1990's) many pilots had to pay for the training program at a regional, but they were not placed as interns in the right seat flying passengers...

We just saw a regional eat a major (Republic>Midwest) how long till they figure out that for 30K they will find students willing to be "interns" in a CRJ, Q400, or ERJ?

Flyboyrw

thats a horrible idea.

JoeyMeatballs

I was in Nassua today and I saw one of their pilots walking around the airplane with a swagger that befuddled me. Here he is flying an airplane................thats right flying an airplane that has PAYING PASSENGERS, and this guy does'nt think he has enough talent/education/skill to GET PAID for it, that's how terrible of a pilot he thinks he is, he has such a low sense of SELF-WORTH that he is willing to pay that scam of a company money so he can PRETEND to be an airline pilot.........

APM145

Let me be clear, I dont fault an unexperienced teen or low time pilot that doesnt know anything about the airlines for doing this. They want to be professionals like us but dont know that Being an "intern" pilot may not be as safe for passengers, crew, or persons on the ground.

Saab, I agree there is an issue if a pilot feels they need to pay the employer to keep the flying job. Paying for thraining while almost non exsistant in todays US airlines had a history of straining pilots pockets in the late 1990's when the majors still flew the BAE 146, F100, B717, and DC9-10 at the mainline. There were more jobs and the pay was dramatically different. The experience level of pilots was also different. Continental Express would waive the Pay for training if a pilot had over 2500 hours (I think thats what it was). but most airlines wanted 1000-1500 hours as a minimum. Not to say there werent execptions but that was the avg.

Now we have almost 2400 ALPA pilots on furlough, almost that same amount are furloughed from the Teamster, APA, Independant unions, and we still see the "shortage" of pilots sold to our next generation of pilots.

Little more than a decade ago we saw the mainline flying much of the routes now about 50% of all flights are Regional flights. The idea of staying a a regional for a year or two is not relevent in todays world...

Please lets your friends know how this industry has changed. Regional pilots tasked with the same responsibility as their mainline bothers and sisters, Moving people safely through the sky...

Luv2Rotate

Must be hard times when "pay to play" guys are being furloughed. Hope you kept the receipt.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE

Yes, Gulfstream has been placing their so called "interns" in the right seat for years. I say so called because they're basically paying to work.

deadstick35

I thought they had to do away with their 250 hr "training" program in 2007 when 250 hrs and a CPL could get a pilot in an RJ. When I read this, with FO's on furlough, I got the impression they were trying to circumvent recalling employees by creating unpaid, "intern" positions. This lets them increase they flying without increasing their labor cost.

IBT lawyers should be beating down the doors at GIA.

APM145

Thats what I was wondering... They did have some real FO's at some point who had been flying the aircraft but I think that a portion have been furloughed to make room for this "intern" pilot learning again...

Just curious if any furloughed GIA pilots on here could speak up or IBT folks for that matter...

Not sure how a program is sold as good for your career when its an example of pilots losing thier career. Regional airline pilots already start off at a low $18k-$20K with the average being about $33K after 3 years of service. Not sure removing an airline pilot and consistetly replacing them with "interns" is in the best interest of safety. I think most continental connection passengers would frown on this, Pilots certainly do.

UCLAbruins

I'm confused, which one is it, are you OK with these kids paying for a job or you're not??? You don't "fault them" but regional pilots have the same responsibility as "our mainline brothers."

You might not fault them, but I do.. This is a very sensitivy issue for me and if I write what I'm really thinking, my post would probably get deleted by a moderator, so I'll hold back.

I am 100% agaisnt paying for a job or flying for free. From the day I took my first flight lesson up to this point, NOTHING has been given to me for free, NOTHING, not even an hour ground instruction, I'm in debt up to my neck. So needless to say, when someone "pays to play" or offers to fly a King Air for free, well......

My opinion, we need to be compensated for what we do. We paid for flight-training, we get paid to fly

rickair7777

Wow. All I can say is that I hope the ones furloughed started out as paying interns in the first place...