Any furloughed Gulfstream Airlines Pilots?
02-24-2009, 03:00 PM
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Not outside the USA and not for 121 ops.
02-24-2009, 03:00 PM
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02-24-2009, 03:03 PM
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TPROP4ever - why aren't you replying to my post? (#33)
...Looks like we posted at the same time...
...Looks like we posted at the same time...
02-24-2009, 03:16 PM
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thank you for your input, I did take the time to read your feelings thoroughly. please allow me to respond.
It is an internship, because a job at 3M is not garranteed. I did not pay for the 250 hrs in the right seat. If you ever saw a contract ( the Academy one) you would see that they dont even guarentee the 250 hours, unless you pass the training. If you do, they guarentee you will go on the line for 250 hours but if after training you do something stupid, or dangerous, then people can and have been fired for it, just like any other airline. We do have a DO, Dir of Safety adn CP that are sticklers, as they should be and if you do the crime so to speak you will rightly be in their office. Our training is actually the same type of training everyone takes when they are hired at an airline. So if I pass training to the same standards you are held to in initial, how can you say that my 250 in the seat is as a trainee, I am a fully qualified crewmember. So just like you, I did time in the right seat for a chance to get a preferential interview with the airline and ultimately a job. It worked for me. I did however get paid at roughly half the wage of a line pilot during that time, so I can see your view on whether its and internship or not. However I see every flight as an opurtunity to learn somthing new from another pilot, so if thats the definition of training, then everyday any pilot in the right set is a trainee, or at least I would hope he is willing to learn somthing every chance he gets. Im sure there are some former GIA people out there that have left a bad taste in peoples mouths. This can happen with any airline or school, but I just want people to realize the majority of us flying 3M take safety and professionalism very seriously, just like you do and we want to be the best we can be. Again I appreciate you taking the time to discuss both sides of this rationally, with me. Safe Flying.....
It is an internship, because a job at 3M is not garranteed. I did not pay for the 250 hrs in the right seat. If you ever saw a contract ( the Academy one) you would see that they dont even guarentee the 250 hours, unless you pass the training. If you do, they guarentee you will go on the line for 250 hours but if after training you do something stupid, or dangerous, then people can and have been fired for it, just like any other airline. We do have a DO, Dir of Safety adn CP that are sticklers, as they should be and if you do the crime so to speak you will rightly be in their office. Our training is actually the same type of training everyone takes when they are hired at an airline. So if I pass training to the same standards you are held to in initial, how can you say that my 250 in the seat is as a trainee, I am a fully qualified crewmember. So just like you, I did time in the right seat for a chance to get a preferential interview with the airline and ultimately a job. It worked for me. I did however get paid at roughly half the wage of a line pilot during that time, so I can see your view on whether its and internship or not. However I see every flight as an opurtunity to learn somthing new from another pilot, so if thats the definition of training, then everyday any pilot in the right set is a trainee, or at least I would hope he is willing to learn somthing every chance he gets. Im sure there are some former GIA people out there that have left a bad taste in peoples mouths. This can happen with any airline or school, but I just want people to realize the majority of us flying 3M take safety and professionalism very seriously, just like you do and we want to be the best we can be. Again I appreciate you taking the time to discuss both sides of this rationally, with me. Safe Flying.....
I too got into this profession at a later stage of my life so I understand your perspective. I do not think you and others like you are "the cancer of our profession" as someone said earlier.
However, I do think it is a very serious problem that #1 those programs do exist and #2 and even more importantly that we have pilots like yourselves who honestly do not see how badly those programs harm the pilot profession.
If places such as Gulfstream continue to flourish we will indeed become Greyhound Bus drivers with wings very soon. Then again, even Greyhound Bus drivers do not have to pay for their training and to work...
Either way, I fear pilots with your skewed albeit very honest attitude more than I fear any airline management - you are proving that we, the pilots, will always be our worst enemies...
Respectfully,
av8or
02-24-2009, 03:17 PM
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I understand both sides of PFT. I prefer to take the stance of educator, rather than "shunner". I see no good coming out of pilots fighting with pilots.
02-24-2009, 03:21 PM
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Just to play devil's advocate, Southwest requires everyone to buy a 737 type prior to employment, and I believe they're the highest paid 73 drivers out there...Gulfstream also requires payment for employment, and they are the highest paid 1900 drivers....
Not saying its good, just making an observation
Not saying its good, just making an observation
02-24-2009, 03:29 PM
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02-24-2009, 03:34 PM
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There were also three other pilots on those flight crews that came up other ways. I thought I had heard all the idiotic statements I could and then along comes the king. And from someone who has probably never spent a day in a 121 training event. ...sorry super pilot didnt mean to offend your sensibilities. Make you feel good to spit on other pilots graves. You feel better about yourself now.
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