Any furloughed Gulfstream Airlines Pilots?
05-08-2009, 09:53 PM
#221
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Yeah, just spoke to one. He's still there. HIRED in March 06. Said there were a bunch of guys both CA and FO's hired around that time cause there weren't enough guys going through the academy.
Listen I hear ya about getting flight instructing under you're belt. I did it and it was very beneficial but I gotta tell you, if I had the cash, I would have done the GTA route as well. I have a buddy of mine that went to school with me and we finished our initial certs. at the same time (PPL-Comm Multi.) I decided to instruct and he had the green and went the GTA route cause he was a kinda introvert and didn't think he could teach. Today, were both here at the same regional only thing, he got here 2 years quicker and is currently waiting for his upgrade number to be called while I float near the bottom of the seniority list. While he was done at GTA and got hired right away, I was busy wondering if I'm gonna chop this guy (student) in the throat and take the controls for freezing up on a stall! He had plenty of 121 turbine-multi when he got hired and I barely made it through the interview with my whopping 87.2 hours of Seminole time. Looking back, if I had the cash, I woulda done it. Seniority+experience is everything. I STILL ended up paying like 22 grand for all my certs. He payed I think 29K. Now that internship crap, now there's NO defending that hussel.
Listen I hear ya about getting flight instructing under you're belt. I did it and it was very beneficial but I gotta tell you, if I had the cash, I would have done the GTA route as well. I have a buddy of mine that went to school with me and we finished our initial certs. at the same time (PPL-Comm Multi.) I decided to instruct and he had the green and went the GTA route cause he was a kinda introvert and didn't think he could teach. Today, were both here at the same regional only thing, he got here 2 years quicker and is currently waiting for his upgrade number to be called while I float near the bottom of the seniority list. While he was done at GTA and got hired right away, I was busy wondering if I'm gonna chop this guy (student) in the throat and take the controls for freezing up on a stall! He had plenty of 121 turbine-multi when he got hired and I barely made it through the interview with my whopping 87.2 hours of Seminole time. Looking back, if I had the cash, I woulda done it. Seniority+experience is everything. I STILL ended up paying like 22 grand for all my certs. He payed I think 29K. Now that internship crap, now there's NO defending that hussel.
WOW! this is the same thing a Captain from SWA, CAL, & Delta told me! all said the same thing! I am seriously thinking of going for a tour!
05-08-2009, 10:09 PM
#222
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I think that if any thing those who pay to fly at GIA are what they are and that is scabs. You have guys sitting on the street and are furloughed at GIA all so you can fly in the right seat of a 1900. I think Great Lakes would be a better option if you want to fly a 1900. Even in this economy paying to train does what, maybe gets you 250 hrs in a oversized king air. It might be a little different if you ever chose to go on to another regional or any airline for that fact and when you talk about your internship of flying a 1900 while guys were on furlough , you might not be that great of a canidate. SO if you feel that by paying for such a retarded training adventure will benefit you, more power to ya but when you come up to me and ask for a ride or try to get a job in my company I may have to give a second thought because I dont support SCABS.
you can call me future SCAB! what matters is senority at a major airline! u could be 4 years behind me on senority just because I went to GIA.. I will not care if you did the military, civilian, GIA route! at the end MONEY TALKS!!!
05-09-2009, 02:54 AM
#223
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Your right, Money Talks at the end of the day, but there are still some of us pilots in the world who believe in self-respect, integrity, and hard work dedicated towards gaining experience as professional airline pilot.
05-09-2009, 05:56 AM
#224
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please ignore Turboprop he has been flamebaiting away on any thread remotely dealing with GIA and PFT.
05-09-2009, 06:49 AM
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To you, a PFTer might be one of the lower forms of life on this planet, but they are not the lowest. For example, there are TSA goons, lawyers, IRS auditors, the FAA Inspector that went after Bob Hoover, trolls, and a few others that are lower than PFTers but still above a scab. The scab is simply the lowest form of life.
05-09-2009, 07:23 AM
#226
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The SWA comparison is really stupid.
They do require a type before working for them. However, that money does NOT go to them. You can get that type anywhere else. You can get it from working at a previous airline, even.
The point is, you are NOT PAYING SWA to work for them. This whole Gulfstream program requires you to PAY GIA to work while PASSENGERS provide revenue for YOUR WORK.
It is RIDICULOUS for anyone to compare the two. It isn't even remotely close to being the same.
Furthermore, SWA still provides you with training. You don't just jump into their ships without any sort of training.
This whole argument is ridiculous. It saddens me we have truly ignorant people around here.
They do require a type before working for them. However, that money does NOT go to them. You can get that type anywhere else. You can get it from working at a previous airline, even.
The point is, you are NOT PAYING SWA to work for them. This whole Gulfstream program requires you to PAY GIA to work while PASSENGERS provide revenue for YOUR WORK.
It is RIDICULOUS for anyone to compare the two. It isn't even remotely close to being the same.
Furthermore, SWA still provides you with training. You don't just jump into their ships without any sort of training.
This whole argument is ridiculous. It saddens me we have truly ignorant people around here.
05-09-2009, 08:08 AM
#227
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The SWA comparison is really stupid.
They do require a type before working for them. However, that money does NOT go to them. You can get that type anywhere else. You can get it from working at a previous airline, even.
The point is, you are NOT PAYING SWA to work for them. This whole Gulfstream program requires you to PAY GIA to work while PASSENGERS provide revenue for YOUR WORK.
It is RIDICULOUS for anyone to compare the two. It isn't even remotely close to being the same.
Furthermore, SWA still provides you with training. You don't just jump into their ships without any sort of training.
This whole argument is ridiculous. It saddens me we have truly ignorant people around here.
They do require a type before working for them. However, that money does NOT go to them. You can get that type anywhere else. You can get it from working at a previous airline, even.
The point is, you are NOT PAYING SWA to work for them. This whole Gulfstream program requires you to PAY GIA to work while PASSENGERS provide revenue for YOUR WORK.
It is RIDICULOUS for anyone to compare the two. It isn't even remotely close to being the same.
Furthermore, SWA still provides you with training. You don't just jump into their ships without any sort of training.
This whole argument is ridiculous. It saddens me we have truly ignorant people around here.
#1. If you look at the contract with GTA, it expressly states that the 250 is not part of the price, the breakdown is for the training and type to fly the 250.( You are however guaranteed the 250 in writing upon successful completion of the Training and Type) Again We are paid during the 250 hrs, it is really low and no union coverage, but it is a Paid position nontheless.
#2. GIA doesnt allow you to just jump in their ships without training, you will do a 2.5 month intense training course and SIC type checkride at Flight Safety to the same ATP standards required of any type rating ( and yes the SIC type is required as we are an international carrier in and out of the Bahamas every day). Let me also be clear, you will do a 2 hr line check flight with a check airman captain at night with no passengers on board in the aircraft before you are released to IOE.
I can honestly see some points of view on the other side of PFT debate, but guys lets debate the issue with facts, not half truths that you heard on a webboard.
To date I can say that I have had Capt's and FO's from many carriers including legacy carriers, that have jumpseated on 3M, when I was flying and I have yet to have one not come up to me and say Nice Job guys, and thanks for the ride. To be clear I am a furloughed 3M guy, and unless my 135 gig that I am waiting on comes through when things pick up, I will gladly go back there and continue to fly for them. I will not argue that the program is expensive, and yes I am quite sure they made money off me, and mabye the price for training and type could have been done cheaper elsewhere, but I did recieve everything I was promised and it did work for me.
This is my first post on the subject in months and will be my last unless people can have a professional, honestly no flame debate on the subject
Thanks, Tprop4ever
Last edited by TPROP4ever; 05-09-2009 at 08:51 AM.
05-09-2009, 09:23 AM
#228
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One thing I will never do is flame a pilot for where he chooses to work, whether it be Mesa, GoJet, Colgan, Skywest, anywhere, etc, etc. Generally pilots who really need work and need money should indeed do what it takes to earn a living and support yourselves and your loved ones. You should work for whomever will give you work, and a decent paycheck. Work where you have to.
However,
For you Gulfstream academy boys, you are not working. You are missing the entire point. YOU ARE PAYING FOR YOUR JOB!!! THE COMPANY IS MAKING DOUBLE THEIR MONEY OFF YOU BECAUSE THEY ARE OPERATING REVENUE FLIGHTS, AND THEIR PILOTS ARE PAYING TO FLY THOSE ROUTES!!! You are indeed undermining the entire industry and yourselves. This is a really pathetic concept, and I do not respect somebody who endeavors into this program, because you are bringing down the industry faster than a 747 with no wings.
If you work for gulfstream, that is fine, however, you should never, ever, complain later in life when---
1. you get furloughed
2. your company that you work for later in life cuts your pay
3. your company cuts your benenfits, pension
4. your friends around you get furloughed
5. AND MOST OF ALL, DONT EVEN COMPLAIN IF YOU GET FIRED FROM A MAJOR AIRLINE 10 YEARS FROM NOW BECAUSE THEY START A PROGRAM WHERE THEY HAVE FOUND PILOTS THAT WILL PAY $27,000 TO WORK THERE INSTEAD OF PAYING YOU 75,000 TO WORK THERE. THIS IS THE EXACT SAME CONCEPT GULFSTREAM PROMOTES AND NO DIFFERENT WHATSOEVER.
However,
For you Gulfstream academy boys, you are not working. You are missing the entire point. YOU ARE PAYING FOR YOUR JOB!!! THE COMPANY IS MAKING DOUBLE THEIR MONEY OFF YOU BECAUSE THEY ARE OPERATING REVENUE FLIGHTS, AND THEIR PILOTS ARE PAYING TO FLY THOSE ROUTES!!! You are indeed undermining the entire industry and yourselves. This is a really pathetic concept, and I do not respect somebody who endeavors into this program, because you are bringing down the industry faster than a 747 with no wings.
If you work for gulfstream, that is fine, however, you should never, ever, complain later in life when---
1. you get furloughed
2. your company that you work for later in life cuts your pay
3. your company cuts your benenfits, pension
4. your friends around you get furloughed
5. AND MOST OF ALL, DONT EVEN COMPLAIN IF YOU GET FIRED FROM A MAJOR AIRLINE 10 YEARS FROM NOW BECAUSE THEY START A PROGRAM WHERE THEY HAVE FOUND PILOTS THAT WILL PAY $27,000 TO WORK THERE INSTEAD OF PAYING YOU 75,000 TO WORK THERE. THIS IS THE EXACT SAME CONCEPT GULFSTREAM PROMOTES AND NO DIFFERENT WHATSOEVER.
05-09-2009, 09:28 AM
#229
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One thing I will never do is flame a pilot for where he chooses to work, whether it be Mesa, GoJet, Colgan, Skywest, anywhere, etc, etc. Generally pilots who really need work and need money should indeed do what it takes to earn a living and support yourselves and your loved ones. You should work for whomever will give you work, and a decent paycheck. Work where you have to.
However,
For you Gulfstream academy boys, you are not working. You are missing the entire point. YOU ARE PAYING FOR YOUR JOB!!! THE COMPANY IS MAKING DOUBLE THEIR MONEY OFF YOU BECAUSE THEY ARE OPERATING REVENUE FLIGHTS, AND THEIR PILOTS ARE PAYING TO FLY THOSE ROUTES!!! You are indeed undermining the entire industry and yourselves. This is a really pathetic concept, and I do not respect somebody who endeavors into this program, because you are bringing down the industry faster than a 747 with no wings.
If you work for gulfstream, that is fine, however, you should never, ever, complain later in life when---
1. you get furloughed
2. your company that you work for later in life cuts your pay
3. your company cuts your benenfits, pension
4. your friends around you get furloughed
5. AND MOST OF ALL, DONT EVEN COMPLAIN IF YOU GET FIRED FROM A MAJOR AIRLINE 10 YEARS FROM NOW BECAUSE THEY START A PROGRAM WHERE THEY HAVE FOUND PILOTS THAT WILL PAY $27,000 TO WORK THERE INSTEAD OF PAYING YOU 75,000 TO WORK THERE. THIS IS THE EXACT SAME CONCEPT GULFSTREAM PROMOTES AND NO DIFFERENT WHATSOEVER.
However,
For you Gulfstream academy boys, you are not working. You are missing the entire point. YOU ARE PAYING FOR YOUR JOB!!! THE COMPANY IS MAKING DOUBLE THEIR MONEY OFF YOU BECAUSE THEY ARE OPERATING REVENUE FLIGHTS, AND THEIR PILOTS ARE PAYING TO FLY THOSE ROUTES!!! You are indeed undermining the entire industry and yourselves. This is a really pathetic concept, and I do not respect somebody who endeavors into this program, because you are bringing down the industry faster than a 747 with no wings.
If you work for gulfstream, that is fine, however, you should never, ever, complain later in life when---
1. you get furloughed
2. your company that you work for later in life cuts your pay
3. your company cuts your benenfits, pension
4. your friends around you get furloughed
5. AND MOST OF ALL, DONT EVEN COMPLAIN IF YOU GET FIRED FROM A MAJOR AIRLINE 10 YEARS FROM NOW BECAUSE THEY START A PROGRAM WHERE THEY HAVE FOUND PILOTS THAT WILL PAY $27,000 TO WORK THERE INSTEAD OF PAYING YOU 75,000 TO WORK THERE. THIS IS THE EXACT SAME CONCEPT GULFSTREAM PROMOTES AND NO DIFFERENT WHATSOEVER.
Last edited by TPROP4ever; 05-09-2009 at 09:43 AM.
05-09-2009, 10:18 AM
#230
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To call someone that PFT a scab is to distort the true meaning of a scab.
To you, a PFTer might be one of the lower forms of life on this planet, but they are not the lowest. For example, there are TSA goons, lawyers, IRS auditors, the FAA Inspector that went after Bob Hoover, trolls, and a few others that are lower than PFTers but still above a scab. The scab is simply the lowest form of life.
To you, a PFTer might be one of the lower forms of life on this planet, but they are not the lowest. For example, there are TSA goons, lawyers, IRS auditors, the FAA Inspector that went after Bob Hoover, trolls, and a few others that are lower than PFTers but still above a scab. The scab is simply the lowest form of life.
WOW, hey I know a scab is someone who crosses a picket line but I also view anybody paying for flying in the airlines and forcing another pilot out a scab.
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