Any furloughed Gulfstream Airlines Pilots?
05-08-2009, 12:39 PM
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At this point it doesn’t matter how I feel about it because they will do what makes sense for their respective business to make as much money as possible and surely don’t give a crap about what you guys think (they probably laughing at this forum if some of them are reading). The point is that one kid out of three who sees a cockpit wants to be a pilot especially when they hear that some captains make 14K/month. The next question they ask is: how do I get there faster then the CFI route? Well, if you can afford it, 250hrs of turboprop will definitely be more attractive to anyone hiring then 1000hrs of C-172. So yes, there will always be a market for GIA (and others) as long as some are willing to sacrifice a lot of money in order to reach their goals faster. And if they are doing it, that’s because it works for some. Nobody in their right mind would spend 30K thinking that all they will get in return is 20K a year with no hope of getting anywhere else. So you’re basically criticizing pilots who have found a way to accelerate their career by spending the money that you wish you had to do the same thing when you were in their shoes. And right now the regionals pay peanuts because there are enough monkeys out there willing to work for a few just are they are monkeys willing to pay to get ahead of the other monkeys. Last time I check this was America and paying to get to your destination faster has always worked and always will. It’s all around us, in almost every profession, and that’s why people with the most money get to make more money faster than anyone else. You can be jealous and ***** about it all day but that won’t change that fact. And by the way, do you, as a FO rather have a captain/best buddy/I respect you because you crawled in the mud/ once to get to that cockpit in 3 years or do you rather have “grumpy old man” next to you for a few hours within years? Personally, I am seriously considering GIA because I don’t care who will look down on me as long as I do what I love. End of the story.
thats what all we as pilot want! we do this because we love flying and we can see who are the bitter pilots! I am sorry that when those people were on training GIA was not there to help them get faster to where they wanted to go! I am also considering GIA after all!
05-08-2009, 12:49 PM
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If you don't go to GIA you save 30k that you can use to buy a house, invest in berkshire. In my opinion putting 30k in berkshire and forgetting about it for 35-40 years is going to be a lot more beneficial than any career advantages GIA offers. But for someone else if that what works for them I dont have any problem with it, its a free market/country.
well, thats true...but where can I go get the experience and screw being a CFI thats not for me! and my CFI was forcing me to be one! even though he told me that I was not able to be a good CFI so why he was telling me that ? maybe to get more money out of mee. but he told me that if I wanted to go to the airlines to build time... where would I go? I asked him he stated rent planes! but that would cost a lots of cash!
so... GIA still on my mind!
05-08-2009, 12:58 PM
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Interesting, you have no idea what I have gone through so far in my life yet you are already judging me a someone who doesn't deserve to buy a few hours of turbopro time in order to reach his goal faster. As far as the "others" who got their 121 paid, they probably spent a good few years flying for a few bucks/hr because they couldn't afford spending more money in order to shorten that time. At the end of the day, if your goal is the Airlines, you don't want to waste too much time flying small SE planes.
thats a great interesting point of view you are telling us, and I heard about senority rules and if you can get to your airline faster than who cares if you get there sooner than a CFI? at the ende senority rules! right?
05-08-2009, 01:28 PM
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05-08-2009, 01:34 PM
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However, the main contention is working for free such as Gulfstream's so called internship. That does not happen at UPS, CAL, DAL or any other major airline I'm aware of.
Rightseater - the only reason the unions even agree to contracts with low first-year pilot pay at major airlines is because a large portion of the pilots now have your attitude which is I already got mine by jumping ahead of the line so lets screw this profession...
I guess, If I saw that UPS, CAL, DAL put an add on the newspaper that you would get in with them aslong you pay for training! I will be the first one out there! to swipe my credit card!! daddys money ofcourse! I would buy the training if they get me the training! with that experience it will bring me up to the heavy airline or cargo standars... so would not pay if you want to be with that airline? or would you wait 5 years to do it the ligit way? if you do, you just lost 5 years of senority pay! right?
05-08-2009, 01:39 PM
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I guess, If I saw that UPS, CAL, DAL put an add on the newspaper that you would get in with them aslong you pay for training! I will be the first one out there! to swipe my credit card!! daddys money ofcourse! I would buy the training if they get me the training! with that experience it will bring me up to the heavy airline or cargo standars... so would not pay if you want to be with that airline? or would you wait 5 years to do it the ligit way? if you do, you just lost 5 years of senority pay! right?
05-08-2009, 03:45 PM
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I think that if any thing those who pay to fly at GIA are what they are and that is scabs. You have guys sitting on the street and are furloughed at GIA all so you can fly in the right seat of a 1900. I think Great Lakes would be a better option if you want to fly a 1900. Even in this economy paying to train does what, maybe gets you 250 hrs in a oversized king air. It might be a little different if you ever chose to go on to another regional or any airline for that fact and when you talk about your internship of flying a 1900 while guys were on furlough , you might not be that great of a canidate. SO if you feel that by paying for such a retarded training adventure will benefit you, more power to ya but when you come up to me and ask for a ride or try to get a job in my company I may have to give a second thought because I dont support SCABS.
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