Any furloughed Gulfstream Airlines Pilots?
02-27-2009, 01:39 PM
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First off, I admire that you had a passion for instructing. I wish I did when I was CFI'ing..
Second, I am not disagreeing with you, I think the GIA program is a joke, but that wasnt my point.
Everyone here is so eager to point the finger at everyone elses company. Whether its pay, work rules, contract, it doesnt matter. The reality is, a person has no business sitting in a 50+ seat jet making 25K a year! it is detrimental to the industry as a whole, not just to those flying for reagionals. It affects us all. Its completely detrimental and it lowers the bar not only for our co-workers, but for the next generation of pilots. The problem isnt just the goofballs that are paying to fly for GIA, it is all of us. Your just as guilty whether you pay GIA to fly, sit in the right seat of a 135 op for free to build time, or take a 121 job for literally half of what you should be making. You know, it would hurt If people had as much passion about the sad state of the industry as a whole instead of having a passion for pointing fingers at individual regional airlines. Truth be told, they ALL are garbage.
Second, I am not disagreeing with you, I think the GIA program is a joke, but that wasnt my point.
Everyone here is so eager to point the finger at everyone elses company. Whether its pay, work rules, contract, it doesnt matter. The reality is, a person has no business sitting in a 50+ seat jet making 25K a year! it is detrimental to the industry as a whole, not just to those flying for reagionals. It affects us all. Its completely detrimental and it lowers the bar not only for our co-workers, but for the next generation of pilots. The problem isnt just the goofballs that are paying to fly for GIA, it is all of us. Your just as guilty whether you pay GIA to fly, sit in the right seat of a 135 op for free to build time, or take a 121 job for literally half of what you should be making. You know, it would hurt If people had as much passion about the sad state of the industry as a whole instead of having a passion for pointing fingers at individual regional airlines. Truth be told, they ALL are garbage.
It is not just Regionals that pay garbage, mainline pay is nothing to brag about the first couple of years as well
02-27-2009, 01:40 PM
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hmm..why is the pay so low that first year...could it be to pay for the training costs?!!?
02-27-2009, 01:42 PM
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There was a reason why first year pay was so low back in the day, now with technology and computers it takes a few hours to do background checks on pilots, as well as ALL the MAJOR airlines HAVING IN-HOUSE SIMS.
The reason why the pay is so low is because they get away with it, much like that garbage place you work at..........
FYI EVERY other industry in the free world pays new employees during training, training which is required by the airline
How funny would it look for a sales person to pay a company to work there free for one year.............
02-27-2009, 01:43 PM
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02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
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No, and if that was the case, being you pay for your training at GIA you should be making $60/hr
There was a reason why first year pat was so low back in the day, now with technology and computers it takes a few hours to do background checks on pilots, as well as ALL the MAJOR airlines HAVING IN-HOUSE SIMS
The reason why the pay is so low is because they get away with it, much like that garbage place you work at..........
There was a reason why first year pat was so low back in the day, now with technology and computers it takes a few hours to do background checks on pilots, as well as ALL the MAJOR airlines HAVING IN-HOUSE SIMS
The reason why the pay is so low is because they get away with it, much like that garbage place you work at..........
02-27-2009, 01:55 PM
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No the reason it hasn't changed is because no one who works at those airlines who's in contract negations cares about a new hire pilot at their company. Its the old "pay your dues, I had to so should they" mentality. Look at UPS. $35/hr first year FO, $122/hr second year...must be expensive background checks
02-27-2009, 02:07 PM
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No the reason it hasn't changed is because no one who works at those airlines who's in contract negations cares about a new hire pilot at their company. Its the old "pay your dues, I had to so should they" mentality. Look at UPS. $35/hr first year FO, $122/hr second year...must be expensive background checks
It’s the same reason why GIA gets people to pay to sit in the right seat, because people like you are willing to.
This is common sense, and I don’t need to sell this to you, it sells itself!
02-27-2009, 03:55 PM
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Again, the only reason why they pay that is because they can get away with it. If UPS had a problem filling up right seats of their airplanes because professional pilots would never fly that equipment for such a minimal wage, they would be forced to change the pay scale.
It’s the same reason why GIA gets people to pay to sit in the right seat, because people like you are willing to.
This is common sense, and I don’t need to sell this to you, it sells itself!
It’s the same reason why GIA gets people to pay to sit in the right seat, because people like you are willing to.
This is common sense, and I don’t need to sell this to you, it sells itself!
02-27-2009, 06:13 PM
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No the reason it hasn't changed is because no one who works at those airlines who's in contract negations cares about a new hire pilot at their company. Its the old "pay your dues, I had to so should they" mentality. Look at UPS. $35/hr first year FO, $122/hr second year...must be expensive background checks
Also, your comparison is very skewed. For example, by accepted a few JA calls (volunteer open time) my first year pay was basically identical to what I made my first year at Airtran.
Additionally, from day one I had top-notch health benefits, a free uniform (6 new pilot shirts, 3 pairs of pants, blazer, coat, 2 new belts, travel bag and a flight bag, etc, etc.) I got a free travel bag and a free flight bag... In other words I did not have to spend a dime on my job (which I've always had to do before), rather the company did it for me...
However, the main contention is working for free such as Gulfstream's so called internship. That does not happen at UPS, CAL, DAL or any other major airline I'm aware of.
Rightseater - the only reason the unions even agree to contracts with low first-year pilot pay at major airlines is because a large portion of the pilots now have your attitude which is I already got mine by jumping ahead of the line so lets screw this profession...
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