Any furloughed Gulfstream Airlines Pilots?
02-25-2009, 09:19 AM
#111
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Here is an interesting tidbit of information that one can deduct is either pure coincidence or a by product of a myriad of other factors dealing with experience, situational awareness et al. BTW I am not attempting to speculate as to the cause of the crash of 3407.
Did you know that the pilot in command of all major accidents/incidents at Pinnacle involving the damage to an airframe/ fatality of lives; that all of them came from GIA. Yep everyone. BTW other than 3701 and 3407 there was another incident that was kept hush hush at MKE. That pilot also came from GIA.
Just thought you might want to know. GIA might be considered by some the closet thing we have to an "industrial sweatshop" in the USA. People keep going signing up for endentured servitude and GIA keeps taking the money. Also, Pinnacle had in the past an agreement with GIA to offer preferential interviewing to GIA pilots as they needed them. 9E got a cut in the action of the "RJ First Officer Program" and GIA got the chance to sell snake oil to a lot of people.
Food for thought when it comes to someone from GIA professing to all the land that they are professional aviators and admit that they jumped in line per se by taking the job flying a 1900 around Florida.
And another thing, Tprop might want to do is crack open a book and learn what that nice piece of plastic in his wallet entitles him to. Most of us who have been in this awhile know it might get you a cup of coffee if your lucky and that's it.
Cheers
Did you know that the pilot in command of all major accidents/incidents at Pinnacle involving the damage to an airframe/ fatality of lives; that all of them came from GIA. Yep everyone. BTW other than 3701 and 3407 there was another incident that was kept hush hush at MKE. That pilot also came from GIA.
Just thought you might want to know. GIA might be considered by some the closet thing we have to an "industrial sweatshop" in the USA. People keep going signing up for endentured servitude and GIA keeps taking the money. Also, Pinnacle had in the past an agreement with GIA to offer preferential interviewing to GIA pilots as they needed them. 9E got a cut in the action of the "RJ First Officer Program" and GIA got the chance to sell snake oil to a lot of people.
Food for thought when it comes to someone from GIA professing to all the land that they are professional aviators and admit that they jumped in line per se by taking the job flying a 1900 around Florida.
And another thing, Tprop might want to do is crack open a book and learn what that nice piece of plastic in his wallet entitles him to. Most of us who have been in this awhile know it might get you a cup of coffee if your lucky and that's it.
Cheers
02-25-2009, 09:24 AM
#112
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According to TPROP, he spent the $30K, flew a few hours in the 1900, got furloughed, and now is trying to figure out the same thing. I think he mentioned that he is working on his CFI (not in a 1900), now (I can't remeber).
TPROP, just because your 1st CFI was not professional and didn't take pride in his job, that doesn't mean you will be that way. I'd bet that, since you were on the receiving end of that treatment, you would NOT treat your students like that.
02-25-2009, 09:31 AM
#113
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Here is an interesting tidbit of information that one can deduct is either pure coincidence or a by product of a myriad of other factors dealing with experience, situational awareness et al. BTW I am not attempting to speculate as to the cause of the crash of 3407.
Did you know that the pilot in command of all major accidents/incidents at Pinnacle involving the damage to an airframe/ fatality of lives; that all of them came from GIA. Yep everyone. BTW other than 3701 and 3407 there was another incident that was kept hush hush at MKE. That pilot also came from GIA.
Just thought you might want to know. GIA might be considered by some the closet thing we have to an "industrial sweatshop" in the USA. People keep going signing up for endentured servitude and GIA keeps taking the money. Also, Pinnacle had in the past an agreement with GIA to offer preferential interviewing to GIA pilots as they needed them. 9E got a cut in the action of the "RJ First Officer Program" and GIA got the chance to sell snake oil to a lot of people.
Food for thought when it comes to someone from GIA professing to all the land that they are professional aviators and admit that they jumped in line per se by taking the job flying a 1900 around Florida.
And another thing, Tprop might want to do is crack open a book and learn what that nice piece of plastic in his wallet entitles him to. Most of us who have been in this awhile know it might get you a cup of coffee if your lucky and that's it.
Cheers
Did you know that the pilot in command of all major accidents/incidents at Pinnacle involving the damage to an airframe/ fatality of lives; that all of them came from GIA. Yep everyone. BTW other than 3701 and 3407 there was another incident that was kept hush hush at MKE. That pilot also came from GIA.
Just thought you might want to know. GIA might be considered by some the closet thing we have to an "industrial sweatshop" in the USA. People keep going signing up for endentured servitude and GIA keeps taking the money. Also, Pinnacle had in the past an agreement with GIA to offer preferential interviewing to GIA pilots as they needed them. 9E got a cut in the action of the "RJ First Officer Program" and GIA got the chance to sell snake oil to a lot of people.
Food for thought when it comes to someone from GIA professing to all the land that they are professional aviators and admit that they jumped in line per se by taking the job flying a 1900 around Florida.
And another thing, Tprop might want to do is crack open a book and learn what that nice piece of plastic in his wallet entitles him to. Most of us who have been in this awhile know it might get you a cup of coffee if your lucky and that's it.
Cheers
02-25-2009, 09:35 AM
#114
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According to TPROP, he spent the $30K, flew a few hours in the 1900, got furloughed, and now is trying to figure out the same thing. I think he mentioned that he is working on his CFI (not in a 1900), now (I can't remeber).
TPROP, just because your 1st CFI was not professional and didn't take pride in his job, that doesn't mean you will be that way. I'd bet that, since you were on the receiving end of that treatment, you would NOT treat your students like that.
TPROP, just because your 1st CFI was not professional and didn't take pride in his job, that doesn't mean you will be that way. I'd bet that, since you were on the receiving end of that treatment, you would NOT treat your students like that.
02-25-2009, 09:36 AM
#115
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According to TPROP, he spent the $30K, flew a few hours in the 1900, got furloughed, and now is trying to figure out the same thing. I think he mentioned that he is working on his CFI (not in a 1900), now (I can't remeber).
TPROP, just because your 1st CFI was not professional and didn't take pride in his job, that doesn't mean you will be that way. I'd bet that, since you were on the receiving end of that treatment, you would NOT treat your students like that.
TPROP, just because your 1st CFI was not professional and didn't take pride in his job, that doesn't mean you will be that way. I'd bet that, since you were on the receiving end of that treatment, you would NOT treat your students like that.
02-25-2009, 09:52 AM
#116
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The fact is Both ways can get you there, and it is wrong to be so jaded that PFT isnt a viable way to go.
02-25-2009, 10:06 AM
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Tprop,
When you profess that you took a job because you thought you could skip up the line in this profession what do you expect those of us who have been in this profession long enough to know better to say. Too Bad so Sad.....YGTBSM.
I don't blame you for being ignorant as to what your choice to "move up the ladder" has done to the profession I have been a part of since before you stopped playing "Power Rangers", many of us on here call it like we see it. No matter how fast you attempt to move up the ladder in this business you can never replace two things, experience and luck. You need both.
Oh, and on the reg answer I didn't care for the number of answers I got correct above 80%. Anything above that is wasted effort.
Best of luck on the CFI, as a gold seal myself, I think you will find it enjoyable and "learn" a lot along the way.
From one disgruntled old airline pilot
When you profess that you took a job because you thought you could skip up the line in this profession what do you expect those of us who have been in this profession long enough to know better to say. Too Bad so Sad.....YGTBSM.
I don't blame you for being ignorant as to what your choice to "move up the ladder" has done to the profession I have been a part of since before you stopped playing "Power Rangers", many of us on here call it like we see it. No matter how fast you attempt to move up the ladder in this business you can never replace two things, experience and luck. You need both.
Oh, and on the reg answer I didn't care for the number of answers I got correct above 80%. Anything above that is wasted effort.
Best of luck on the CFI, as a gold seal myself, I think you will find it enjoyable and "learn" a lot along the way.
From one disgruntled old airline pilot
02-25-2009, 10:09 AM
#118
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So true, I just talked to a young kid yesterday who went the other route, went 141 all the way through I, II, MEI. He has 254 hrs and cant find a job as a cfi, because all the schools want dual given experiance, he was asking me about training at GIA. when we were talking I found out he spent more than I did getting through his ratings. and hes just as dead in the water, the differance is I have a callback coming eventually he doesnt, you wonder why the GIA program works. This is one reason why.
The fact is Both ways can get you there, and it is wrong to be so jaded that PFT isnt a viable way to go.
The fact is Both ways can get you there, and it is wrong to be so jaded that PFT isnt a viable way to go.
02-25-2009, 10:13 AM
#119
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Tprop,
When you profess that you took a job because you thought you could skip up the line in this profession what do you expect those of us who have been in this profession long enough to know better to say. Too Bad so Sad.....YGTBSM.
I don't blame you for being ignorant as to what your choice to "move up the ladder" has done to the profession I have been a part of since before you stopped playing "Power Rangers", many of us on here call it like we see it. No matter how fast you attempt to move up the ladder in this business you can never replace two things, experience and luck. You need both.
Oh, and on the reg answer I didn't care for the number of answers I got correct above 80%. Anything above that is wasted effort.
Best of luck on the CFI, as a gold seal myself, I think you will find it enjoyable and "learn" a lot along the way.
From one disgruntled old airline pilot
When you profess that you took a job because you thought you could skip up the line in this profession what do you expect those of us who have been in this profession long enough to know better to say. Too Bad so Sad.....YGTBSM.
I don't blame you for being ignorant as to what your choice to "move up the ladder" has done to the profession I have been a part of since before you stopped playing "Power Rangers", many of us on here call it like we see it. No matter how fast you attempt to move up the ladder in this business you can never replace two things, experience and luck. You need both.
Oh, and on the reg answer I didn't care for the number of answers I got correct above 80%. Anything above that is wasted effort.
Best of luck on the CFI, as a gold seal myself, I think you will find it enjoyable and "learn" a lot along the way.
From one disgruntled old airline pilot
02-25-2009, 10:30 AM
#120
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If there are enough, interns, they won't need to recall any. TPROP, pat might prevent you from going back to GIA.
As Selcall mentioned, "I think you will find it enjoyable and "learn" a lot along the way." This is one of the argument that there is no substitute for experience. Talk to anybody with a few hundred hours of dual given, and I'll bet that 9 out of 10 will tell you they learned more about flying during the first 200 hours as a CFI than they did during the first 200 hrs while earning their PPL/CPL/IR. Some do not enjoy it, that is true, but the benefit of experience cannot be disputed. Also, the unemployed 250 hr CFI/I/MEI took an expensive path so the debt might be up there, but those tickets will never go away (of renewed). I know MANY airline pilots who never let theirs lapse because...you know what's coming...they never know when they will need it. I make more now back CFIing than I did as an FO. IT's not just the 50% hourly pay raise, it's the billable hours vs guarantee.
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