Deez340

Wow.... just wow. This is the level of knowledge you end up with when you try to skip ahead of the learning curve with the swipe of your credit card. Knowing the privileges and limitations of a particular rating, certificate, or endorsement is usually the first question in an oral to obtain said privileges and NOT semantics. When you don't go through the normal and necessary steps to gain experience your core of knowledge suffers in perpetuity.

I repost my absolving advice below: (getting your CFI is a good start)

Update: There may be hope for you. Stop the propagandists/apologists role and admit that paying to work for a horrible company founded by an Eastern scab is not good for you, the profession or anyone else. Get a real flying job that you can be proud of. Then be prepared to answer some very tough questions about how immature and lazy you were to spend daddy's money to play airline pilot, or how stupid you were to spend your own money to do it. (whichever applies to you) Do these things not and your screen name will become painfully apropos. "turboprop forever"

wrxpilot

An SIC rating is worthless. All it takes to get an SIC rating is 3 takeoffs and landings, some discussion about the a/c systems, and a trip down to the FSDO to fill out some paperwork.

It is amazing to see how delusional some of you guys are at GIA. You paid for your job, we all know it. You guys paid an incredibly large amount of money to play airline pilot, thinking you'd jump in front of everybody. In some remote cases that might actually work. But for the most part, you just wasted a ton of money.

Who was it that said earlier in this thread that you have the best payscale on the 1900? Are you freaking kidding me? Compared to who, Great Lakes? Lakes doesn't pay well, but at least those guys aren't paying for training. They are getting a MUCH better flying experience operating around the rocky mountains, compared to you guys paying to fly from FLL-MYEH all day.

If instead of spending all that cash for a worthless SIC rating you could've obtained all of your CFI ratings and had $20,000 left over (at least). Then you would have some valuable PIC dual given time that employers love. Fortunately you are now working on your CFI, I hope that works out better for you.

Joachim

Tprop4ever:

You paid to work, end of story. You fell for GIA's marketing scam and their wording, which was targeted at permeable minds like yours. Now you are furloughed, out of cash and have adversely affected the professional flying community. You can start redeeming yourself by paying your dues as an instructor and teach your students not to make the same mistake as you did.

Rnav

I wasn't going to waste my time in GIA thread but I couldn't agree more with this statement. Please clarify some statements you made. I can't understand how you can say your not ready for AE groundschool at 300hrs, yet you justify paying for groundschool training at Gulfstream instead so you can fly passengers around. So your not ready to do a real groundschool that pays, but are ready to pay to fly passengers around? Paying to play and trying to justify it to other airline pilots(not interns) is just sad. Everyone else gets paid during groundschool, not the other way around bro.

Does the Captain provide a warm towel and meal for those paying for ultra-first class(FO's seat). It actually might be worth $20G's for that type of service on a daily basis?<sarcasm>

UCLAbruins

Deez340, that's one of the best posts I've ever seen here, I couldn't agree more....... Besides that, its very selfish when people do that, they're basically saying, "screw the profession, screw everybody else, I'm jumping ahead, paying for a shorcut". SELFISH.... And we wonder why some pilots make less than a manager at Mcdonald's

JoeyMeatballs

not only did you waste money, but wherever you go (unless you lie) 95% of the time the guy/gal sitting next to you will probably look down on you for what you did, much like the snakes that go to GOJETS, or should I say "Trans States Holdings"...............what a joke

TPROP4ever

I guess Ill just have to exit the conversation,I have made an honest attempt to engage an honest conversation about both side of the pay for training argument. that said

I made a honest mistake, man enough to catch it and own up to it, when I studied the regs, I mistakenly misinterpreted them. I cant argue my misinterpreting the regs, im sure youve never done that.. It has become painfully obvious to me that no matter what I say, my words will get twisted around as a way to bash GIA and the core group of good, hard working, professional pilots. And that is where I draw the line, I wont contribute to that, they dont desrve it. . I guess shame on me for thinking I could contribute to an aviation debate, but then again, Im not a real pilot right, I didnt just spend the last 5 years busting my butt. (your beliefs not mine). I still stand by my beliefs, the path I took.

You want to talk about all the division in the regionals, We (as pilots caused it), in this day and age it becomes and us aginst them scenario, early in our careers, all of us are either taught from day one that PFT is ok and necessary, or it isn't and we carry those beliefs with us into our careers. At least some of us took the time to do the research on our own make up our own mind and stick to our beliefs. I will take the time to remove all my posts so you guys can go back to doing what you do best and finding a group of pilots to throw stones at. Hey thats what this thread should be for, right Deez. To the couple of guys that have been interested in a good conversation, thanks for the time and discussion..you guys are welcome to PM me if you would like to continue this, without twisting my responses around. As for talking on this thread, Im gone.........

TPROP4ever

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pat72

At this point it doesn’t matter how I feel about it because they will do what makes sense for their respective business to make as much money as possible and surely don’t give a crap about what you guys think (they probably laughing at this forum if some of them are reading). The point is that one kid out of three who sees a cockpit wants to be a pilot especially when they hear that some captains make 14K/month. The next question they ask is: how do I get there faster then the CFI route? Well, if you can afford it, 250hrs of turboprop will definitely be more attractive to anyone hiring then 1000hrs of C-172. So yes, there will always be a market for GIA (and others) as long as some are willing to sacrifice a lot of money in order to reach their goals faster. And if they are doing it, that’s because it works for some. Nobody in their right mind would spend 30K thinking that all they will get in return is 20K a year with no hope of getting anywhere else. So you’re basically criticizing pilots who have found a way to accelerate their career by spending the money that you wish you had to do the same thing when you were in their shoes. And right now the regionals pay peanuts because there are enough monkeys out there willing to work for a few just are they are monkeys willing to pay to get ahead of the other monkeys. Last time I check this was America and paying to get to your destination faster has always worked and always will. It’s all around us, in almost every profession, and that’s why people with the most money get to make more money faster than anyone else. You can be jealous and ***** about it all day but that won’t change that fact. And by the way, do you, as a FO rather have a captain/best buddy/I respect you because you crawled in the mud/ once to get to that cockpit in 3 years or do you rather have “grumpy old man” next to you for a few hours within years? Personally, I am seriously considering GIA because I don’t care who will look down on me as long as I do what I love. End of the story.

welle036

If you don't go to GIA you save 30k that you can use to buy a house, invest in berkshire. In my opinion putting 30k in berkshire and forgetting about it for 35-40 years is going to be a lot more beneficial than any career advantages GIA offers. But for someone else if that what works for them I dont have any problem with it, its a free market/country.