NightIP

That's great, but you've never heard the deet-deet-deet sound through your headset? I have, on an ERJ on approach, caused by a passenger leaving his or her phone on.

muushin

Be Advised:

To those of you who chose the dumified anal retentive Nazi path of logic:


The main and only reason for the cell phone rule is to keep airborne cell phones from cellular congestion ( FIFO ). While airborne, the on cell phone displaces usage space in all line of sight cells that are within its reception range, bumping legitimate users out of all congested cells as the aircraft passes over the cellular antennae. This gets to be a great inconvenience to the service, especially when taking off, and landing near major populated areas, where it can cause disruption, or dropped calls en mass. It has been such a problem for the telecommunications industry, so that they used their political pull to enforce this rule through the FCC. I did a biennial for a Verizon telecommunications V.P those were his exact words, when I asked him the same question.

whatthe6789

fyi, Piedmont flies -100's and -300's... No more -200's

10seatsbucksmos

I think captain smooth was trying to warn against cell phone use and leaving the cell phones on in flight without revealing the various problems those mini transmitter/receivers cause in flight.

Well, tell him he owes several airlines lost revenue due to:

cell phones in cargo bins that have set of the smoke detectors

startled passengers that no longer fly because the flight crew in imc appropriately responded to egpws warnings set off by a cell phone left on in the baggage

go arounds initiated due to communication interference from cell phones

(paraphrased from actual statements in incident/operational/occurrence reports)

Oops!

Sorry smooth.

whatthe6789

And how did you figure out for sure that a cell phone caused these events? Not trying to be a smartass, but there is a lot of things that can cause interference or just plain equipment that is malfunctioning...

Enginerd

LOL ok there...a tongue in cheek question about the cell phone 'rule' warrants a threatening repsonse? Suppose sarcasm does not translate well via the internet...relax...I was not looking for an actual answer to that Q.

Take care -nerd out

StillLearning

If the bag was piled up next to the detector's cage, yes, it could send enough watts of power to send a signal to the warning system.

I, myself, have heard the interference on the crew headsets from cell phones thousands of times.

As far as the gpws, that phone would need to be close to the rad alt (maybe a rear cargo bin) to cause interference.

muushin

Sorry if it sounded snappy,

It is just that, I would like to see less of a paranoid America, without overbearing impositions to our proud freedom. To be overshadowed and worrisome of the Patriot Act, when we are doing very innocent and mundane things, like accidentally leaving a cell phone on and not being remorseful about it.
When I hear anything about the TSA, Homeland security, or the Patriot act, when Osama is still barefoot in the cave with his laptop, running the terrorist show, I do not think anyone should fear speaking blatantly about knowingly leaving a cellphone on!!


Not meant to be threatening, just expressing my opinion in a open forum.

ToiletDuck

So what you're saying is we need a forum for pilots that is meant to only be accessed by pilots. Possibly even taking it a step further such as dividing groups up to categories like Regional or Mainline so those respective pilots could speak freely in those areas.... Brilliant!!!!

Seriously unless we want to start making your license number a requirement to join where can we go that's "safe" from the public?

So we can't talk about the UFOs and the secret reason why airlines are actually delayed now?

VideoGuy

I am only here because I had an interest in learning more about what unfortunately happened to Colgan 3407. I have working in the past at a tv station but in the production and promotions department. I had to fill in one day for a new photog and then saw the story air later. The news director and I went head to head over how the story was twisted. It got heated and the station manager walked in so I informed him that I would never do his dirty work again. I did continue to shoot sports stories on occasion since I just wanted to go the the game and have the view from the sideline. I have no respect nor interest to listen to or work for the media. My wife works for Colgan so I have some interest in what has happened. Our phone started ringing at 3:30am on the 13th to let her know of her schedule change. At one point I had looked at flight school but never persued it. I enjoy flying and wish I did more of it, still trying to figure out why I haven't gotten any free passes. I do need to read back through this thread though and see who said they were responsible for the delays at LGA. That would explain why my wife is late getting home sometimes or ends up there overnight.

As far as cell phones go, I can tell you that when we are videotaping something and using mics, I have told the person before their phone rang that it was going to since I could here it in the headphones. I was also getting the same interference when their phone was searching for service. Not a big deal since we were firmly on the ground.