ExperimentalAB

I did not think it was typical of the NTSB to issue daily updates on accidents such as this...why start now? It seems hard to comprehend that both Pilots allowed the aircraft to enter a deep stall...getting anxious to know what the CVR reveals.

KC10 FATboy

They've always held press conferences. This is not new.

-Fatty

ExperimentalAB

Press conferences, of course...but I don't think they've ever gone back and forth as they have this week as in other accident investigations.

bluefishbeagle

If my statement is a lie why wasn't this trip being flown by a more senior crew? Cuz they didn't want it.

Sure some of the junior guys/gals could have previous 121 experience but not all. I stand pat on my statement. Been there, seen it, today the regionals are the training grounds for majors and even corporate operators like Netjets. After three or four years of being abused everyone except the very senior are looking for a way out.


My opinion in no way reflects solely on the pilots if this accident, it is not known at this time if experience or the lack of it was a factor and I do not want to prejudge. My statement only reflects a general opinion of regional management’s cost cutting measures in the area of safety, flight training and schedule's that tax the hardiest of bodies young or old.

KC10 FATboy

Any update on this accident?

captain152

That could be the case ... but also take into account the simple fact that there are reserve pilots for a reason. Granted I work at Colgan and have heard NOTHING stating that either pilot was on reserve. I also know, and I'm sure you've thought of this yourself, that some of the trips on the senior lines are also on the junior lines (just not in the amount they might be in the senior lines). I don't know much about the Q lines here, but I know that it goes the same way down in IAH where we have virtually the same operation just with a different aircraft.

I do respect your viewpoint though, and agree with you in regards of cost cutting measures in operations.





I have not heard any update on any NTSB findings, but I know that Colgan held several roadshows recently to update all who attended on what has taken place so far. If I find out any new info, I will be sure to post here.

DublinFlyer

Yeah thanks, please do. I was hoping to attend the one in IAD, but I've just been so busy with stuff here I haven't had a chance to!!

The Juice

ALPA is doing the shows, Colgan mgmt could care less in keeping us informed

usmc-sgt

For the record there are no "senior" lines at Colgan on the Q in Newark. There are reserve lines and there are other lines. You would be hard pressed to look at any one of our lines besides the few reserve lines and say which one(s) are senior.

Colgan does not know how to build a senior line. Look at the number one pilot in base and the last line holder and compare their lines and they will be very similiar with the exception that the senior one can pick his poision.

texaspilot76

We got an email at PSA from the company advising of an erratic glideslope on the same runway in Buffalo that the Colgan flight was lined up for.

I personally have seen the dangers of an erratic glideslope. The north runway's glideslope going into KAVL is erratic. It has been reported on numerous ASAP reports. In solid IMC, the glideslope immediatly shot way down. The autopilot suddenly pitched down to follow it. Then the slope shot back up, and the airplane pitched up to follow it, causing a rapid decrease in airspeed. I managed to firewall the power just in time to avoid a stickshaker. At that time, I had to hand fly the rest of the approach and try to stay in the middle of the dancing glideslope. Not a very safe situation. Had i not been paying attention, it could have had a drastic outcome.

The NTSB needs to investigate the glideslope in Buffalo. It could hold the answers to the Colgan accident. The data of how the aircraft pitched up and lost airspeed and then stalled is identical to what I experienced in AVL. That coupled with the fact that the glideslope in Buffalo had been reported as erratic.