Colgan Air flight 3407
02-13-2009, 01:01 PM
#31
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Joined APC: May 2008
Position: Hotel
Posts: 714
definitely a tough day to head to work...i'll be commuting down to new york tonight. i commuted in the morning after the US1549 incident a few weeks ago and you can definitely see it in other crew members faces. this incident didn't turn out well at all and it's going to take a lot of time.
in times like this i think we should all wear our uniforms proudly, smile to each other while passing in the airport and hug our loved ones a little longer before we leave...............
Someday we will know, where the pilots go
When their work on earth is through.
Where the air is clean, and the engines gleam,
And the skies are always blue.
They have flown alone, with the engine's moan,
As they sweat the great beyond,
And they take delight, at the awesome sight
of the world spread far and yon.
Yet not alone, for above the moan, when the earth is
out of sight,
As they make their stand, He takes their hand,
and guides them through the night.
How near to God are these men of sod,
Who step near death's last door?
Oh, these men are real, not made of steel,
But He knows who goes before,
And how they live, and love and are beloved,
But their love is most for air.
And with death about, they will still fly out,
And leave their troubles there.
He knows these things, of men with wings,
And He knows they are surely true.
And He will give a hand, to such a man
'Cause He's a pilot too.
— unknown
in times like this i think we should all wear our uniforms proudly, smile to each other while passing in the airport and hug our loved ones a little longer before we leave...............
Someday we will know, where the pilots go
When their work on earth is through.
Where the air is clean, and the engines gleam,
And the skies are always blue.
They have flown alone, with the engine's moan,
As they sweat the great beyond,
And they take delight, at the awesome sight
of the world spread far and yon.
Yet not alone, for above the moan, when the earth is
out of sight,
As they make their stand, He takes their hand,
and guides them through the night.
How near to God are these men of sod,
Who step near death's last door?
Oh, these men are real, not made of steel,
But He knows who goes before,
And how they live, and love and are beloved,
But their love is most for air.
And with death about, they will still fly out,
And leave their troubles there.
He knows these things, of men with wings,
And He knows they are surely true.
And He will give a hand, to such a man
'Cause He's a pilot too.
— unknown
A VERY fitting poem. Thanks for posting that.
02-13-2009, 01:11 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
NTSB briefing right now 4:11pm Local Eastern
SEVERE PITCH & ROLL Excursions seconds after Flaps 15 selected, then the crew attempted to retract flaps and gear soon after.........
Speculation or not, seems icing may have been a contributing factor, maybe even asymmetrical flaps?
We can start another thread but this airplane just does not have a stellar safety record, either way the crew flew it until the very end, can't ask any more from them!
SEVERE PITCH & ROLL Excursions seconds after Flaps 15 selected, then the crew attempted to retract flaps and gear soon after.........
Speculation or not, seems icing may have been a contributing factor, maybe even asymmetrical flaps?
We can start another thread but this airplane just does not have a stellar safety record, either way the crew flew it until the very end, can't ask any more from them!
Last edited by JoeyMeatballs; 02-13-2009 at 01:29 PM.
02-13-2009, 01:36 PM
#35
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Assistant (to the) Regional Captain
Posts: 154
From what it sounds like, it very possibly could be asymmetrical flaps and they tried to alleviate the situation by bringing the flaps and gear up but the ice raised the stall speed way above 0 or even 15 flap configuration
02-13-2009, 01:36 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,258
NTSB briefing right now 4:11pm Local Eastern
SEVERE PITCH & ROLL Excursions seconds after Flaps 15 selected, then the crew attempted to retract flaps and gear soon after.........
Speculation or not, seems icing may have been a contributing factor, maybe even asymmetrical flaps?
We can start another thread but this airplane just does not have a stellar safety record, either way the crew flew it until the very end, can't ask any more from them!
SEVERE PITCH & ROLL Excursions seconds after Flaps 15 selected, then the crew attempted to retract flaps and gear soon after.........
Speculation or not, seems icing may have been a contributing factor, maybe even asymmetrical flaps?
We can start another thread but this airplane just does not have a stellar safety record, either way the crew flew it until the very end, can't ask any more from them!
Thoughts and prayers to everyone affected by this horrible tragedy
02-13-2009, 01:39 PM
#37
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Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
I agree, whatever the cause doesn't change the fact we lost some great people, and from what I gather some damn fine PILOTS
02-13-2009, 01:51 PM
#38
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 4
*note: I originally posted this in the other thread but this new one seems more devoted to the actual victims*
Ok, today is the day I'm not going to be a spectator but a poster. First off, I saw this after it happened last night and I was very saddened. While on the phone with one of my mx buddies at CHQ talking about it I'm still not going to dare to speculate. The issue at hand is the pax and flight crew who lost their lives.....it is indeed a black Friday for the aviation community.
RIP to all who were involved, and my thoughts go out to the family and friends of the lost.
Just very damn sad situation. Hopefully this will not go in vain and there is something to learn so that it does not happen again. Thanks to all the flight crew who work their butts off everyday to provide a safe aviation service to their passengers. Sometimes things just don't go the way they're supoosed to....
Ok, today is the day I'm not going to be a spectator but a poster. First off, I saw this after it happened last night and I was very saddened. While on the phone with one of my mx buddies at CHQ talking about it I'm still not going to dare to speculate. The issue at hand is the pax and flight crew who lost their lives.....it is indeed a black Friday for the aviation community.
RIP to all who were involved, and my thoughts go out to the family and friends of the lost.
Just very damn sad situation. Hopefully this will not go in vain and there is something to learn so that it does not happen again. Thanks to all the flight crew who work their butts off everyday to provide a safe aviation service to their passengers. Sometimes things just don't go the way they're supoosed to....
02-13-2009, 01:52 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 148
I flew with the FO on a 2 day a few months ago. She was a very smart and professional woman. She loved here husband very much, s and was looking forward to getting home to see him, after our trip was done. The 2 FA, were full of life, and it showed. They could turn a group of angry passengers at the beginning of the flight, into the happiest group of people by the end. All my heart goes out the families, and love ones. I will miss them.
May god bless the crew, passengers, families, and all of you. You are in my thoughts and prayers. God Bless.
May god bless the crew, passengers, families, and all of you. You are in my thoughts and prayers. God Bless.
I come from an airline family with at least one of us airborne everyday. This makes me want to call my family and tell them I love them before every flight.
Godspeed to those on board.
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