Colgan Air flight 3407
02-15-2009, 07:11 AM
#121
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Im on a trip now and the only part that really hits me and has stopped me in my tracks is the preflight. When I get out back and stand on the ground and look up at at the huge tail with the globe all I can think about is that awful picture where you can clearly see a dash 8 tail through the flames.
For some reason that is what really hits home on this trip.
For some reason that is what really hits home on this trip.
I second that statement.
02-15-2009, 07:13 AM
#122
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Of the five, Marvin was the only one I knew. He brings my "buddies I've lost" list to five.
Maybe doing our job is the best way to remember all of them. Much as we sometimes hate it, life does go on.
Kiss the kids, hug the spouse, and tell the parents you miss them. Then keep moving on.
Maybe doing our job is the best way to remember all of them. Much as we sometimes hate it, life does go on.
Kiss the kids, hug the spouse, and tell the parents you miss them. Then keep moving on.
02-15-2009, 07:42 AM
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eaglefly,
I appreciate what you are saying. However, why don't we wait and see what the NTSB actually states in its final conclusion on what happened. Before we can learn from THIS accident, we have to see what happened in THIS accident.
Kinda reminded me of the YOUNG gentleman I met the other day at the Med Offices in EWR. Commutair pilot, and we started talking. I was trying to see if they were hiring, so I can sit at home on resserve, and make a FEW bucks.
I asked if there were ANY AD's on the DASH (I know it's a different series).
He siad there ARE NONE! Is this true , NO ADs, AT ALL?
Then he proceeded to talk to one of the other "patients" about the accident, and how it was no WAY due to icing. I asked if he saw any similarities between this and the ATR or the Brasilia crashes. He had no idea what I was talking about.
So let's see what hapened, then we can LEARN from this, and not state how young, inexperienced, their first winter ops, etc...
I appreciate what you are saying. However, why don't we wait and see what the NTSB actually states in its final conclusion on what happened. Before we can learn from THIS accident, we have to see what happened in THIS accident.
Kinda reminded me of the YOUNG gentleman I met the other day at the Med Offices in EWR. Commutair pilot, and we started talking. I was trying to see if they were hiring, so I can sit at home on resserve, and make a FEW bucks.
I asked if there were ANY AD's on the DASH (I know it's a different series).
He siad there ARE NONE! Is this true , NO ADs, AT ALL?
Then he proceeded to talk to one of the other "patients" about the accident, and how it was no WAY due to icing. I asked if he saw any similarities between this and the ATR or the Brasilia crashes. He had no idea what I was talking about.
So let's see what hapened, then we can LEARN from this, and not state how young, inexperienced, their first winter ops, etc...
02-15-2009, 08:07 AM
#124
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eaglefly,
I appreciate what you are saying. However, why don't we wait and see what the NTSB actually states in its final conclusion on what happened. Before we can learn from THIS accident, we have to see what happened in THIS accident.
Kinda reminded me of the YOUNG gentleman I met the other day at the Med Offices in EWR. Commutair pilot, and we started talking. I was trying to see if they were hiring, so I can sit at home on resserve, and make a FEW bucks.
I asked if there were ANY AD's on the DASH (I know it's a different series).
He siad there ARE NONE! Is this true , NO ADs, AT ALL?
Then he proceeded to talk to one of the other "patients" about the accident, and how it was no WAY due to icing. I asked if he saw any similarities between this and the ATR or the Brasilia crashes. He had no idea what I was talking about.
So let's see what hapened, then we can LEARN from this, and not state how young, inexperienced, their first winter ops, etc...
I appreciate what you are saying. However, why don't we wait and see what the NTSB actually states in its final conclusion on what happened. Before we can learn from THIS accident, we have to see what happened in THIS accident.
Kinda reminded me of the YOUNG gentleman I met the other day at the Med Offices in EWR. Commutair pilot, and we started talking. I was trying to see if they were hiring, so I can sit at home on resserve, and make a FEW bucks.
I asked if there were ANY AD's on the DASH (I know it's a different series).
He siad there ARE NONE! Is this true , NO ADs, AT ALL?
Then he proceeded to talk to one of the other "patients" about the accident, and how it was no WAY due to icing. I asked if he saw any similarities between this and the ATR or the Brasilia crashes. He had no idea what I was talking about.
So let's see what hapened, then we can LEARN from this, and not state how young, inexperienced, their first winter ops, etc...
What I can say is that both pilots on that aircraft (all 3 actually) were some DAMN fine pilots and very bright.
Hopefully in the next few days we will all receive more information as to what caused the ultimate end of all on flight 3407.
In honor, CJC3407
02-15-2009, 09:42 AM
#125
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Just in ... Marvin's family has set up a memorial fund in honor of his memory. Here are the details ...
Friends and Family of the Renslows have set up a memorial fund in honor of
Captain Renslow. Proceeds will go towards Marvin’s wife and his children’s college funds. Donations can be made by mail to the address provided below referencing the account number and the Renslow Family.
Suncoast Schools Federal Credit Union
1837 Collier Parkway
Lutz, FL 33549
Acc #4433106
“Renslow Family”
More details on the other crew members as it comes in. Thank you all for your support and sympathy
Friends and Family of the Renslows have set up a memorial fund in honor of
Captain Renslow. Proceeds will go towards Marvin’s wife and his children’s college funds. Donations can be made by mail to the address provided below referencing the account number and the Renslow Family.
Suncoast Schools Federal Credit Union
1837 Collier Parkway
Lutz, FL 33549
Acc #4433106
“Renslow Family”
More details on the other crew members as it comes in. Thank you all for your support and sympathy
02-15-2009, 10:30 AM
#126
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NTSB press conference at 1600EST
I've just seen a post over on PPRuNe stating that the NTSB is holding a press conference at 1600 EST today, Sunday the 15th, regarding this accident. Tried to confirm it through other ways but unable to. Looks official though, not sure why anyone would post false info on something like that either.
Perhaps it will be on some of the cable news outlets?
Perhaps it will be on some of the cable news outlets?
02-15-2009, 11:11 AM
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NTSB already blaming the crew?
Perhaps the NTSB ought to complete the investigation first?
CLARENCE, N.Y. - The plane that crashed into a house near Buffalo, killing 50 people, was on autopilot when it went down, a violation of airline policy, a federal aviation official said Sunday.
Steve Chealander of the National Transportation Safety Board said Colgan Air recommends pilots fly manually in icy conditions. Pilots are required to do so in severe ice.
The pilot of the doomed plane reported "significant" ice on his wings and windshield just before crashing Thursday night.
Colgan Air operates a fleet of 51 regional turboprops including Continental Connection, United Express and US Airways Express.
Chealander says the preliminary investigation indicates the autopilot was still on when the plane crashed. The remains of 15 people have been recovered from the wreckage of Flight 3407, authorities said Sunday as crews raced to finish their work before a snowstorm arrives later in the week.
(more at: Official:* Plane in N.Y. crash was on autopilot - Life- msnbc.com)
CLARENCE, N.Y. - The plane that crashed into a house near Buffalo, killing 50 people, was on autopilot when it went down, a violation of airline policy, a federal aviation official said Sunday.
Steve Chealander of the National Transportation Safety Board said Colgan Air recommends pilots fly manually in icy conditions. Pilots are required to do so in severe ice.
The pilot of the doomed plane reported "significant" ice on his wings and windshield just before crashing Thursday night.
Colgan Air operates a fleet of 51 regional turboprops including Continental Connection, United Express and US Airways Express.
Chealander says the preliminary investigation indicates the autopilot was still on when the plane crashed. The remains of 15 people have been recovered from the wreckage of Flight 3407, authorities said Sunday as crews raced to finish their work before a snowstorm arrives later in the week.
(more at: Official:* Plane in N.Y. crash was on autopilot - Life- msnbc.com)
02-15-2009, 11:33 AM
#128
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Perhaps the NTSB ought to complete the investigation first?
CLARENCE, N.Y. - The plane that crashed into a house near Buffalo, killing 50 people, was on autopilot when it went down, a violation of airline policy, a federal aviation official said Sunday.
Steve Chealander of the National Transportation Safety Board said Colgan Air recommends pilots fly manually in icy conditions. Pilots are required to do so in severe ice.
The pilot of the doomed plane reported "significant" ice on his wings and windshield just before crashing Thursday night.
Colgan Air operates a fleet of 51 regional turboprops including Continental Connection, United Express and US Airways Express.
Chealander says the preliminary investigation indicates the autopilot was still on when the plane crashed. The remains of 15 people have been recovered from the wreckage of Flight 3407, authorities said Sunday as crews raced to finish their work before a snowstorm arrives later in the week.
(more at: Official:* Plane in N.Y. crash was on autopilot - Life- msnbc.com)
CLARENCE, N.Y. - The plane that crashed into a house near Buffalo, killing 50 people, was on autopilot when it went down, a violation of airline policy, a federal aviation official said Sunday.
Steve Chealander of the National Transportation Safety Board said Colgan Air recommends pilots fly manually in icy conditions. Pilots are required to do so in severe ice.
The pilot of the doomed plane reported "significant" ice on his wings and windshield just before crashing Thursday night.
Colgan Air operates a fleet of 51 regional turboprops including Continental Connection, United Express and US Airways Express.
Chealander says the preliminary investigation indicates the autopilot was still on when the plane crashed. The remains of 15 people have been recovered from the wreckage of Flight 3407, authorities said Sunday as crews raced to finish their work before a snowstorm arrives later in the week.
(more at: Official:* Plane in N.Y. crash was on autopilot - Life- msnbc.com)
02-15-2009, 11:38 AM
#129
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Well thank God CNN actually retracted an inaccurate statement. Just heard them say that their statement before about the autopilot being on was incorrect and the NTSB stands by its previous press conference information.
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