Pinnacle and ATP Schools, new lower standard!
04-23-2006, 06:53 PM
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Pinnacle and ATP Schools, new lower standard!
http://www.atpflightschool.com/airli...sition_program
Pinnacle will hire you if you have 350 hours and complete the airline transition program. ATP should be ashamed, I'm surprised that ATP has become this low! I thought they are a respectable company, now their showing that they're after the money! You know that Pinnacle doesn't benefit from hiring 350 hour pilots, there's some serious money handeling that is going on behind the scenes between ATP and Pinnacle.
Pinnacle will hire you if you have 350 hours and complete the airline transition program. ATP should be ashamed, I'm surprised that ATP has become this low! I thought they are a respectable company, now their showing that they're after the money! You know that Pinnacle doesn't benefit from hiring 350 hour pilots, there's some serious money handeling that is going on behind the scenes between ATP and Pinnacle.
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04-24-2006, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by erjpilot
Can you read? It says nothing about hiring people at 350 hours. That's the minimum just to enter the program. Looks like the flying includes 150 hours flight time. 350+150=500 minimum.
04-24-2006, 03:19 AM
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Regardless, I don't see how the airlines benefit from these programs? This is ignorance on my part for sure, but it only seems like the training facility would benefit. I mean, I got my jet jobs with low time, but I still worked hard and took advantage of programs like the SimuFlite right seat program to gain the training necessary to be a competitive applicant. This seems like a bunch of pilots who want to live the dream without investing the effort. Again, this is my ignorance, so maybe some of the following posts can enlighten me.
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04-24-2006, 03:34 AM
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I'm sure they probably split the payment with the airline in some way or another. I'm at ATP now, and there's no way I'm doing the airline transition program. I'm looking forward to instructing for a few years and then taking some odd jobs flying around to build my hours
04-24-2006, 05:06 AM
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"This seems like a bunch of pilots who want to live the dream without investing the effort. Again, this is my ignorance, so maybe some of the following posts can enlighten me"
No man, you got it right. You can buy your way into anything now, even an airline job. No need to waste time instructing or building any real experience, just sign on this here dotted line.......
I've always liked ATP, not many people complain about them as opposed to a DCA. I don't like what this program has become, though. It's partly just a marketing ploy, which is bad enough, but putting such low time guys in airline jets, as their first job in aviation, is a disgrace to the profession.
No man, you got it right. You can buy your way into anything now, even an airline job. No need to waste time instructing or building any real experience, just sign on this here dotted line.......
I've always liked ATP, not many people complain about them as opposed to a DCA. I don't like what this program has become, though. It's partly just a marketing ploy, which is bad enough, but putting such low time guys in airline jets, as their first job in aviation, is a disgrace to the profession.
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04-24-2006, 05:08 AM
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Let's see.......spend upwards of $30,000 (fees, living expense, etc) for a salary that will gross maybe $20,000 BEFORE TAXES. Oh boy, be still my heart! Flying regionals with 500tt. That's the reason I won't let my family non- rev on any of them.
Not bashing the majoity of RJ pilots, but 500tt is not enough time to let some wet behind the ears kid fly my family around in a twin turbine.
Not bashing the majoity of RJ pilots, but 500tt is not enough time to let some wet behind the ears kid fly my family around in a twin turbine.
04-24-2006, 05:14 AM
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This doesn't surprise me. In this day in age it seems like the training side of aviation makes more profit then the transport side.
In this day in age its all about exploiting and capitalizing on someone's weekness. For example, you take a 350 hour pilot who can't find a job and is willing to pay money they don't have to get an unstable- low paying job- with no promise for a secure future. Now you take a commuter that's a sinking ship and a greedy-money hungry flight school and come up with some crackerjack Airline Training Program. This is just capitalism, but it leaves room for thought.
One thought is a pilot with 350 hours doesn't even have the mins for a VFR 135 Charter in a C-172. So what makes them qualifies as an "Airline Pilot" carrying 50-70 pax? You got me- but then again, I didn't write the rule book.
Now you can't blame the flight schools- them being scumbags in an industry standard. You have to bring into question the airline operations involved in these schemes.
In this day in age its all about exploiting and capitalizing on someone's weekness. For example, you take a 350 hour pilot who can't find a job and is willing to pay money they don't have to get an unstable- low paying job- with no promise for a secure future. Now you take a commuter that's a sinking ship and a greedy-money hungry flight school and come up with some crackerjack Airline Training Program. This is just capitalism, but it leaves room for thought.
One thought is a pilot with 350 hours doesn't even have the mins for a VFR 135 Charter in a C-172. So what makes them qualifies as an "Airline Pilot" carrying 50-70 pax? You got me- but then again, I didn't write the rule book.
Now you can't blame the flight schools- them being scumbags in an industry standard. You have to bring into question the airline operations involved in these schemes.
04-24-2006, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by loudgarrettdriver
This doesn't surprise me. In this day in age it seems like the training side of aviation makes more profit then the transport side.
In this day in age its all about exploiting and capitalizing on someone's weekness. For example, you take a 350 hour pilot who can't find a job and is willing to pay money they don't have to get an unstable- low paying job- with no promise for a secure future. Now you take a commuter that's a sinking ship and a greedy-money hungry flight school and come up with some crackerjack Airline Training Program. This is just capitalism, but it leaves room for thought.
One thought is a pilot with 350 hours doesn't even have the mins for a VFR 135 Charter in a C-172. So what makes them qualifies as an "Airline Pilot" carrying 50-70 pax? You got me- but then again, I didn't write the rule book.
Now you can't blame the flight schools- them being scumbags in an industry standard. You have to bring into question the airline operations involved in these schemes.
In this day in age its all about exploiting and capitalizing on someone's weekness. For example, you take a 350 hour pilot who can't find a job and is willing to pay money they don't have to get an unstable- low paying job- with no promise for a secure future. Now you take a commuter that's a sinking ship and a greedy-money hungry flight school and come up with some crackerjack Airline Training Program. This is just capitalism, but it leaves room for thought.
One thought is a pilot with 350 hours doesn't even have the mins for a VFR 135 Charter in a C-172. So what makes them qualifies as an "Airline Pilot" carrying 50-70 pax? You got me- but then again, I didn't write the rule book.
Now you can't blame the flight schools- them being scumbags in an industry standard. You have to bring into question the airline operations involved in these schemes.
04-24-2006, 05:59 AM
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I'm looking at the positions and a/c that some of you guys are currently flying that are responding to this particular issue. I believe that there will be a thorough screening process to make sure that out of the pool of applicants, that only the best qualified (whatever that may be) is chosen. These guys at ATP have to start somewhere. Technology has allowed this industry and others as well to shorten the training process. JMO.
