pete2800

Hahaha... I've done the math....

And I'm "just mad my app got lost in the mail?"

Wrong again.



PRC class of '08, and current ERAU employee.



Indeed. We've seen quite a drop in students here at the Prescott campus. Or maybe it's just that they hired too many instructors.

Nevets

Well, since I've been here there have been three LOAs that have affected our pay and work rules. They were are negotiated by the MEC through the negotiating committee. We have gotten to vote on all three. I see that is negotiating my salary.

flynavyj

Now i've got several friends who are construction project managers. The majority of people at their company seem to be happy with their profession, and the company they work for. However, each individual negotiates their own pay scales and compensation packages including leave, and their year end bonus. It's predicated on their school performance and resume'. Apparently, some companies have jumped at hiring individuals who've asked for more than what they thought they were worth, because to the company, they saw them as a valued future employee.

I'd wonder what you'd see if the airlines were negotiating pay and benefits on the same scale. I'm sure there are plenty of individuals who said, i'll fly, if you can guarantee me 100k/yr, but i'm sure that number would be offset by the people saying "i'll just work for 15k/yr to get some experience".

Wonder how an equal payscale (FO-CA) would work. Raises built on longevity, but everyone gets to start at 60k, and for the new captain, with 10 years experience, he'll make 100k, and his new FO will still be at 60k, etc....hmmmmm....let's keep it going.

captain152

Are we having fun yet? ... great thread+good posts+completely overly discussed topic+funny comments = good entertainment

Bond

Somehow I missed this post earlier, but I've been laughing for about an hour now. College degree plus ratings $37K, embry riddle - min $90K, I guess they don't teach math at riddle either... Very nice, I love how some of you guys try to justify your mistakes.

KingAirPIC

The fact is everyone in every industry thinks they deserve more. However, for our training, education, investments, and above all responsibility we should at least be able to afford an average house payment, an average car, vacation once a year, feed our kids and in the end be relatively debt free.
The fact is we can't or at least first officers can't and sometimes they'll be in that seat for years and years.
This is a joke and insulting. But we do it because we're our own worst enemies. We do it to ourselves. The only way to get what we deserve is to be on the same team. It's just hard to imagine us doing that. Standing up for ourselves as one big group.

imasaluki

It has to be somebody's "calling" in life to organize U.S. commercial pilots into one solid force... particularly those at the airline level. Anybody feel this way? Educate the newbies, solidify the veterans, encourage brotherhood and sisterhood among pilots, and encourage each one of us to salvage what's left of this great career to pass on to future pilots. It just doesn't seem to be getting done by the major unions. They're looking out for the individual interests of each airline rather than preserving the commercial pilot profession as a whole.

We should be setting minimum standards for pilots. Those companies that can't provide these "minimum standards" should not exist. Additionally, pilots should refuse to work for those companies that do not provide minimum standards of benefits and quality of life.

Bignellyxx

Construction is a very volatile industry as well. I'm sure it depends on which company you work for however. About 2 years ago i was at a wedding and was speaking with a guy who just got out of college and was hired as a project manager at a local company. He was an arrogant prick. From what i could gather this guy had no real experience only what the university was able to teach him out of a book.

My father is a construction superintendent for a rather large company in the Twin Cities. He has been in the industry for over 30 years and it hasn't been all peachy for him. However he did not get his position right out of college like this guy. All i could think about was how this guy must be undercutting his profession. I eventually drank a bottle of wine while listening to his BS before i left to put my moves on the dance floor.

My father has been laid off about 3 times in his career as he is rather Junior in his position. He makes significantly more than i will see flying a plane for a while but had to bust his butt to get there. Each of these economic downturns effect construction as much as they do the airlines.

Bignellyxx

This argument is no different than public vs private university. I did the unmentionable and went to UND. My Fiancé went to a local MN private school. My Fiancé still spent 30K more than i did and all she got was a simple liberal arts type degree. Either one of us would still have the same opportunity for graduate school.

There are many of instate universities that are just as good as many of these expensive private colleges and yet people still go to them. I don't get it.

Bond

You didn't really address the issue. Bottom line is that you can get the same results for about 50K cheaper at any public school and FBO. Some of you guys that have gone to this "specialized" schools like riddle got suckered for lack of a better word. Why would you spend that much money when it isn't necessary? I guess if mom and dad are cutting the checks, who cares right?