ToiletDuck

Sometimes it's not just about the aircraft. Regardless of what the courts find the company still made contracts with the regionals and will have to pay to break them. I have no idea who's runs out first but that could been a starting point.

Hetman

According to the J4J LOA:

Small Jet= 50 seats or less
Large Small Jet= 51-76 seats
Larger than Large Small Jet= 86-99 seats

I am not making that up. Larger than large small jets.

Releasemaster

Airways doesn't own those planes, they are being slowly withdrawn, but Mesa keeps them.

RedBaron007

Why do the airline's contracts with other airlines trump an airline's contract with labor? I certainly don't mean that in a combative way Duck, but it just seems like the typical kind of labor ruling in recent years. Maybe it's time for the employee contracts to have as much weight - or even more weight - than the corporate-corporate contracts. Just a thought.


I'm not sure of the specific wording, but Mr. Parker could very easily play with the wording here. US Airways isn't paying for any RJs, but their wholly owned subsidiary PSA is. I know it's semantics, but that's exactly the kind of thing management loves to do and say.


I'll also add my 2 cents that no more aircraft should be added on the express side. Any new airframes should be added to mainline, and any wholly owned employees should get first dibs after any furloughed mainline pilots in the form of a flow through. 50 seat aircraft used to be mainline aircraft. Why shouldn't they be now?

I'm glad the mainline pilots are grieving this.

Cactusone

Has anybody heard any updates to this grievance?

trent890

Feb 5-6: Grievance Arbitration: TA Dispute #8 - Operation of Large Small Jets

From Feb 4 USAPA Update: "The Grievance Committee Chairman briefed the Board via teleconference. The Grievance Committee is in Washington DC for T/A Dispute 8 regarding the Company’s operating 18 more large small jets than permitted by the T/A. Typically, a decision takes three to four weeks after an arbitration hearing."

Trogdor

So if the mainline guys win, will that equate to recalls?

Sniper

This will go down just like it is going @ Delta, I'd bet.

US Airways Express is "operating" the max amount of 'small jets' allowed by the scope. The remaining small jets are not being "operated" . . . they are "spares".

STILL GROUNDED

Well it doesn't say they are operating to many "Larger than Large" jets so I am guessing RAH will send the 170's to Portland and replace them with 190's in Philly.

trent890

From LOA 91, "Consolidated Small Jet Agreement":


Definitions of Small Jets

A “Small Jet” will be defined as a jet aircraft that is a Small SJ, Medium SJ, or Large SJ, as defined below.

“Small SJs” are defined as jet aircraft with a certificated maximum seating capacity of 44 seats and a certificated maximum gross takeoff weight of 46,600 pounds. Any CRJ-240/400 aircraft configured for more than 40 seats shall be defined as a Medium SJ.

“Medium SJs” are defined as jet aircraft with a certificated seating capacity of no less than 45 seats and no more than 50 seats and a certificated maximum gross takeoff weight not greater than 65,000 pounds

“Large SJs” are defined as jet aircraft having a certificated seating capacity of 51-70 seats and a certificated maximum gross takeoff weight not greater than 75,000 pounds. In addition Large SJs include (a) the EMB-170 aircraft with a maximum certificated seating capacity of 78 seats and a certificated maximum gross takeoff weight of 82,100 pounds and (b) the EMB-175 aircraft with a maximum certificated seating capacity of 86 seats and a certificated maximum gross takeoff weight not greater than 86,000 pounds.

From LOA 96, "Transition Agreement":

B. Section 1.D.2 of the America West collective bargaining agreement will be modified to increase the maximum seating capacity of jet aircraft flown by Express carriers to a maximum seating capacity of 88 seats (or up to 90 seats if there are no first class seats) and/or certificated maximum take off weight of up to 90,000 pounds.

C. The US Airways and America West collective bargaining agreements will be modified to allow for a combined maximum of ninety-three (93) CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at any given time at Express Carriers.

I think you ARE making that up. Please provide a reference for the usage of the "Larger than Large Small Jet" terminology in a US Airways or America West CBA/LOA document.