rlh724

I remember a couple years back one of my instructors told me that they were going to phase out some if not all ndbs? Anyone know if this is true cause I know here in the northeast there are plenty of ndbs.And i just shot an Ndb approach not too long ago and it wasn't hard.

IBPilot

way to show confidence there in your abilities
Dont you think the passengers deserve a little more out of your training? If you can't be bothered to train a SE NDB approach you really do not belong in this industry.

ebl14

I agree with Mooney, why shouldn't you be required to fly each of those approaches? Whats next... pilots shouldn't be required to maintain altitude without an autopilot? Emergencies happen all the time, not just when its convienent for the pilot. It does however suck when the instructors aren't worth a crap and aren't willing to help people out with stuff related specifically to learning how to fly the particular aircraft.

BURflyer

Huh? Half the people out there can't fly their airliners without their flight directors let alone single engine NDB. Have you been through a pt121 training event lately? You might do a VOR approach with a flight director once just to be sure.

IBPilot

oh yes, in the past 13 years I've been through about 6 135 checks and about 25 or so PC's/PT's.....plus some type ratings...nice try please play again.

USMCFLYR

I haven't flown any one of those approaches in over 20 years so I can't say I have those abilities right now, but I'm pretty sure that I can be retrained/retaught. Now I've flown some approaches that are fairly similar to some of those mentioned so I think I could make it through but with the advertised washout rate it sounds harder than even Marine OCS!

USMCFLYR

IBPilot

Then you work with a bunch of guys who should not be in a 121 cockpit.

1900luxuryliner

It's not necessarily all of them, right down the list, but you could expect any of them during training. Those are all the approaches we are approved to do. They really don't slam FO candidates with abnormals, although you will definitely see some. Abnormals are roughly equal to caution items, but include more items than just what is illuminated by the caution annunciators. You are guaranteed to experience the following, at some point: ILS, single-engine ILS, a few non-precision approaches (NDB guaranteed!), circling approach, missed approach procedures, landing single-engine, go-around procedures, DPs, every imaginable stall, steep turns, rejected takeoffs, V1 cuts, crosswind procedures, some abnormal procedures, and any emergency procedure that is in the book. You may see single-engine non-precisions during training, but I don't believe it is a checkride requirement (don't quote me on that). Probably more than that, but that's all that comes to the top of my head.

blastoff

They've been saying that for years...ever notice that many ILS Marker Beacons are changing to an NDB Locator on the Outer Marker...even recently? Still need them to identify the FAF when the GS is OTS.

They've been telling us the whole VOR system will go away for just as long. Wonder what's going to happen when someone sets off an EMP in space that takes out GPS. Better hope you have a Navigator on board with a sextant.

1900luxuryliner

You won't receive anything on your record if you bomb out of the training. You're not considered an employee until you pass the checkride. The training process could be considered an extension to your job interview. Anything that happens in training, no matter how bad you do, is NOT PRIA reportable. So, there is nothing to lose by giving it a shot. I don't think they should have to train people to fly basic instruments, and I'm not pro-management, whatsoever. If a person can't fly an ILS without going full-scale deflection, enter a hold, or fly a non-precision approach, how the heck could that same person expect to safely hand-fly a turbine aircraft full of passengers into a mountain airport, in bad weather with a contaminated runway. This experience is not a rare event. It's every day on the job. I don't understand how some candidates were ever able to get their instrument rating. I sure as heck wouldn't want to be their passenger while in IMC conditions...Those types shouldn't be able to make it through the training.