Colgan Discussion
12-14-2008, 06:51 PM
#61
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if you dont like what colgan is doing to you than quit. thats what i did. but wait...most of you cant. you better not ***** to much. you should be glad that you have a job. look at the auto makers. the unions are shutting them down. what good does better pay and benefits do if it ends up shutting your employer down. there are more effective ways to handle management. the unions are not the way to go. despite the crappy times and colgan, they have managed to keep everyone on board during difficult times. you bring the unions in and that will change.
12-14-2008, 06:59 PM
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if you dont like what colgan is doing to you than quit. thats what i did. but wait...most of you cant. you better not ***** to much. you should be glad that you have a job. look at the auto makers. the unions are shutting them down. what good does better pay and benefits do if it ends up shutting your employer down. there are more effective ways to handle management. the unions are not the way to go. despite the crappy times and colgan, they have managed to keep everyone on board during difficult times. you bring the unions in and that will change.
Is ALPA perfect? Of course not. But I know of several crews at CJC whose would like nothing better than to have an ALPA attorney supporting them in their recent/ soon to come carpet dance down at the brain-factory (HEF). As it stands right now, if anyone wants legal council around here, they're gonna need to come up w/ about 5 G's of their own money for a private attorney. Not good!
We need representation........yesterday. You'll never know exactly how much you need it until it's too late when it's not available. So, take your fear-mongering posts elsewhere, kc.....'cause I'm not buying it
...and neither are the MAJORITY of the pilot group (IMO....we'll know for certain in 3 days).
12-14-2008, 07:00 PM
#63
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Is this Buddy Casey?
if you dont like what colgan is doing to you than quit. thats what i did. but wait...most of you cant. you better not ***** to much. you should be glad that you have a job. look at the auto makers. the unions are shutting them down. what good does better pay and benefits do if it ends up shutting your employer down. there are more effective ways to handle management. the unions are not the way to go. despite the crappy times and colgan, they have managed to keep everyone on board during difficult times. you bring the unions in and that will change.
Also, the UAW is not "shutting" down the Big 3. Stagnant R&D, bad management, and gas guzzling SUV's is the reason..oh, and the fact we are in a huge recesion and nobody is spending money on cars.
12-14-2008, 07:09 PM
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Educate yourself. The UAW negotiated rates for their workers way above the standard for auto workers in this country, and mgmt signed off on these wages. If they did not want to pay these wages, they shouldn't have...poor management. Colgan pilots want pay rates and workrules that are consistent with other reagional airlines, not to break the bank.
Also, the UAW is not "shutting" down the Big 3. Stagnant R&D, bad management, and gas guzzling SUV's is the reason..oh, and the fact we are in a huge recesion and nobody is spending money on cars.
Also, the UAW is not "shutting" down the Big 3. Stagnant R&D, bad management, and gas guzzling SUV's is the reason..oh, and the fact we are in a huge recesion and nobody is spending money on cars.
12-14-2008, 07:11 PM
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if you dont like what colgan is doing to you than quit. thats what i did. but wait...most of you cant. you better not ***** to much. you should be glad that you have a job. look at the auto makers. the unions are shutting them down. what good does better pay and benefits do if it ends up shutting your employer down. there are more effective ways to handle management. the unions are not the way to go. despite the crappy times and colgan, they have managed to keep everyone on board during difficult times. you bring the unions in and that will change.
Do you really believe laying down and taking substandard treatment is the answer? You quit, and you're right, most of the pilots are not able to just give up and concede. Can you fault the notion of a better future? To unite is the correct way to handle management. Is the Colgan pilot group the answer? I ask you to read, really read and understand, the first post of this thread. If you were more informed, you would realize it's not the unions that are shutting down the automakers. The fact that you parallel the auto indutry's problems to this specific union drive is an arguement against you. This is a feable attempt to discourage the impressionable to no vote/vote against the union. Again, I agree that Colgan has managed to "keep everyone on board," but is this not the job of management? Are they really doing the pilot's a favor? If Colgan cannot financially rise to the industry standard, we can all agree there is a problem.
And your best quote of the night: "you bring in the unions and that will change," EXACTLY, we've been waiting!
12-14-2008, 07:21 PM
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if you dont like what colgan is doing to you than quit. thats what i did. but wait...most of you cant. you better not ***** to much. you should be glad that you have a job. look at the auto makers. the unions are shutting them down. what good does better pay and benefits do if it ends up shutting your employer down. there are more effective ways to handle management. the unions are not the way to go. despite the crappy times and colgan, they have managed to keep everyone on board during difficult times. you bring the unions in and that will change.
I completely agree with one statement he made ... Colgan management has managed to keep everyone on board ... well, except a few flight attendants that were furloughed.
But seriously ... unite as a pilot group! We're not trying to kill management! That's not the goal here... the goal is simply to give our pilot group as a whole representation when we are asked to do something we shouldn't be doing ... asked to knowingly break a reg ... get suspended for landing 10ft off the centerline during crosswind landings ... the list goes on and on!!
We just want to make sure someone has our back!! Not to kill the company! We all need jobs and are thankful for the ones we have now!! Lets just work together to make sure we're represented fairly
12-14-2008, 08:16 PM
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you are right..poor management allowed the unions to force crazy wages, twice the competition in fact. because they were afraid....its called extortion.
everyone that got hired on at colgan knew what the pay was going to be, why are you complaining now? like i said, any job is better than no job...keep that in mind. these jobs do not belong to you, they belong to colgan. if you do not like it then leave. the industry will dictate the pay and the standards. find another career if you dont like it. thats what i did. when did the people start thinking that they can control the employer. keep this up and the there will be foreign competition in here taking over the airlines just like they are the auto industry. there was a time and place for the unions, and now is not the time. they have overstayed their welcome and they are playing a major part in the failure of the auto industry, and many other industries as well(the steel industy as an example) this is a global economy, and america will loose the fight if the unions are involved. there are other ways to get what you want...the unions are not it.
everyone that got hired on at colgan knew what the pay was going to be, why are you complaining now? like i said, any job is better than no job...keep that in mind. these jobs do not belong to you, they belong to colgan. if you do not like it then leave. the industry will dictate the pay and the standards. find another career if you dont like it. thats what i did. when did the people start thinking that they can control the employer. keep this up and the there will be foreign competition in here taking over the airlines just like they are the auto industry. there was a time and place for the unions, and now is not the time. they have overstayed their welcome and they are playing a major part in the failure of the auto industry, and many other industries as well(the steel industy as an example) this is a global economy, and america will loose the fight if the unions are involved. there are other ways to get what you want...the unions are not it.
12-14-2008, 08:24 PM
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Educate yourself. The UAW negotiated rates for their workers way above the standard for auto workers in this country, and mgmt signed off on these wages. If they did not want to pay these wages, they shouldn't have...poor management. Colgan pilots want pay rates and workrules that are consistent with other reagional airlines, not to break the bank.
Also, the UAW is not "shutting" down the Big 3. Stagnant R&D, bad management, and gas guzzling SUV's is the reason..oh, and the fact we are in a huge recesion and nobody is spending money on cars.
Also, the UAW is not "shutting" down the Big 3. Stagnant R&D, bad management, and gas guzzling SUV's is the reason..oh, and the fact we are in a huge recesion and nobody is spending money on cars.
really!!!!! the foreign auto makers are suffering too you dont see them knocking on the whitehouse doors.
12-14-2008, 08:28 PM
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Don't let these idiots influence your decision.
I completely agree with one statement he made ... Colgan management has managed to keep everyone on board ... well, except a few flight attendants that were furloughed.
But seriously ... unite as a pilot group! We're not trying to kill management! That's not the goal here... the goal is simply to give our pilot group as a whole representation when we are asked to do something we shouldn't be doing ... asked to knowingly break a reg ... get suspended for landing 10ft off the centerline during crosswind landings ... the list goes on and on!!
We just want to make sure someone has our back!! Not to kill the company! We all need jobs and are thankful for the ones we have now!! Lets just work together to make sure we're represented fairly
I completely agree with one statement he made ... Colgan management has managed to keep everyone on board ... well, except a few flight attendants that were furloughed.
But seriously ... unite as a pilot group! We're not trying to kill management! That's not the goal here... the goal is simply to give our pilot group as a whole representation when we are asked to do something we shouldn't be doing ... asked to knowingly break a reg ... get suspended for landing 10ft off the centerline during crosswind landings ... the list goes on and on!!
We just want to make sure someone has our back!! Not to kill the company! We all need jobs and are thankful for the ones we have now!! Lets just work together to make sure we're represented fairly
if colgan cannot make money, they will fail. the employee does not have a right to every dime colgan makes
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