Logbooks
11-19-2008, 09:58 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,982
I don't not believe what you are saying but a while back on another thread this subject came up and they all made it perfectly clear that I needed to keep both a traditional and electronic log book that they would print out and sign. I mentioned that I thought it was stupid and a wast of time to keep your flight time in two different forms. But they stood by what they were saying.
I don't know what to do now. Why can't this crap be clear.
I don't know what to do now. Why can't this crap be clear.
This subject comes up every couple months. And every time its the same questions, the same methods and the same arguments. In the end, as long as you have a neat, reasonably accurate accounting of your time which jives with what interviewers expect and doesn't contain any blatant out and out falsifications, you'll be fine. Quit loosing sleep over "Oh noooo!!! How should I log this? Should I write it on the back of my hand? Will a printout work? What if they want a big brown Jepp logbook with the green pages?" Use your head and do what makes sense.
For the record, I print out a pairing when I start a trip and keep track of my out and in times (for duty purposes and pay calculation), landings, approaches, night, instrument time and any notes right on the little printout that fits in my shirt pocket. Then when I get home, I toss it in a stack on my night stand. When the stack gets too big and starts falling off the edge of the night stand I transfer the info into a standard commercial Jepp logbook (the brown one with the green pages) and put the written-on, coffee-stained pairings in an envelope for each year. That envelope gets shoved in a closet and that's the end of that.
11-19-2008, 10:10 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 103
This guy cracks me up. Its not like there is one TOTALLY correct way to log your time and the rest are all wrong and you FAIL if you do it any other way! Have you ever actually sat and thought about whether or not anyone actually, truly and accurately verifies your times? And even if they wanted to go through it with a fine-toothed comb and double-check every column, how difficult it would it be for anyone to verify instrument time? Approaches? Every tail number you've ever flown? Night time? It would be an agonizing and ultimately pointless process. There are really only 2 things I look for when adding my logbook: Day + Night = Total and Single + Multi = Total. Thats it. Sure, I put it all in there so I can fill in those boxes at resume time but the reality is NOBODY'S logbook is 100% true and accurate. How many of us put down .1 instrument when you fly through a cloud? I know I do. Shot an approach in actual? That's .3. Was it dark when I took off and when I landed? Then its night . Was it dark for half the flight and light for half? Then half of the block time was night (whats civil twilight?).
This subject comes up every couple months. And every time its the same questions, the same methods and the same arguments. In the end, as long as you have a neat, reasonably accurate accounting of your time which jives with what interviewers expect and doesn't contain any blatant out and out falsifications, you'll be fine. Quit loosing sleep over "Oh noooo!!! How should I log this? Should I write it on the back of my hand? Will a printout work? What if they want a big brown Jepp logbook with the green pages?" Use your head and do what makes sense.
For the record, I print out a pairing when I start a trip and keep track of my out and in times (for duty purposes and pay calculation), landings, approaches, night, instrument time and any notes right on the little printout that fits in my shirt pocket. Then when I get home, I toss it in a stack on my night stand. When the stack gets too big and starts falling off the edge of the night stand I transfer the info into a standard commercial Jepp logbook (the brown one with the green pages) and put the written-on, coffee-stained pairings in an envelope for each year. That envelope gets shoved in a closet and that's the end of that.
This subject comes up every couple months. And every time its the same questions, the same methods and the same arguments. In the end, as long as you have a neat, reasonably accurate accounting of your time which jives with what interviewers expect and doesn't contain any blatant out and out falsifications, you'll be fine. Quit loosing sleep over "Oh noooo!!! How should I log this? Should I write it on the back of my hand? Will a printout work? What if they want a big brown Jepp logbook with the green pages?" Use your head and do what makes sense.
For the record, I print out a pairing when I start a trip and keep track of my out and in times (for duty purposes and pay calculation), landings, approaches, night, instrument time and any notes right on the little printout that fits in my shirt pocket. Then when I get home, I toss it in a stack on my night stand. When the stack gets too big and starts falling off the edge of the night stand I transfer the info into a standard commercial Jepp logbook (the brown one with the green pages) and put the written-on, coffee-stained pairings in an envelope for each year. That envelope gets shoved in a closet and that's the end of that.
Okay! LOL. TMI But thanks for all that anyway. Pretty much what I do.
This is waht I said: Some say that you must have a hand written logbook. whether or not you have an electronic one or not is up to you.
But from what i gather here...they are wrong...and I am okay with that.
11-19-2008, 12:03 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Dreamniner
Posts: 352
Carry a pocket sized log with me and fill in the details after each leg. About every month or so I transfer info to the paper logbook. I also at that time update an electronic logbook I made in Excel. Save a copy to my computer, save to a USB memory stick, and email a copy to myself.
As far as I know I don't have a button pushing disorder either.
As far as I know I don't have a button pushing disorder either.
11-19-2008, 12:45 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: In charge of the remote
Posts: 207
I took two logbooks with me to my last interview, my original written logbook and my logbook pro logbook. The captain interviewing me checked that SE + ME = TT. That's it.
It REALLY doesn't matter how you log your time. Just log it however you feel like.
It REALLY doesn't matter how you log your time. Just log it however you feel like.
11-19-2008, 01:31 PM
#26
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 81
I'm so mad I lost my logbooks, when I went to my last ground school. Good thing I had it backed up on logbook pro. But I really want another paper logbook for my add-on i'm going to get. Should I just start another one, put in the first line lost log and cary my time over?
11-19-2008, 01:43 PM
#27
Airport Hobo
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 844
Sorry, that was a useless piece of information.
11-19-2008, 02:25 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,982
I'm so mad I lost my logbooks, when I went to my last ground school. Good thing I had it backed up on logbook pro. But I really want another paper logbook for my add-on i'm going to get. Should I just start another one, put in the first line lost log and cary my time over?
11-19-2008, 02:34 PM
#30
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,576
I print off a copy of my trips and times at the end of each month and file them into a mystery file that I use to update my logbook about once every 3 years or less.
Some pilots carry around a little book so they can write down a ton of numbers at the end of every single flight. These are usually the same pilots who have button pushing disorders.
I have found it takes me less time to get all my flight times printed on paper for the entire month than it takes them to write down their times for each leg of the day.
Some pilots carry around a little book so they can write down a ton of numbers at the end of every single flight. These are usually the same pilots who have button pushing disorders.
I have found it takes me less time to get all my flight times printed on paper for the entire month than it takes them to write down their times for each leg of the day.
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