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12-21-2009, 06:43 AM
#211
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Round and round and apparently up and down, as well.
Post #202 and #215 must be from different people with the same screen name..............................ah, well.
I find is somewhat shocking to note you were promoted to Captain of a turbojet powered regional airliner in 18 months.................AND ARE COMPLAINING !
I can think of hundreds of pilots............er, strike that...............thousands.........er, strike that too................TENS OF THOUSANDS of pilots here at Eagle, stagnating at other regionals or UNEMPLOYED on the street, who'd love to be where you are now.
I can think of a few million people out there jobless without health care to add to that.
A couple of observations here;
- Part 121 "barbiejet" SIC time means a lot to civilian pilots in part 91 operations with little or no multi time and few places that would put them into the left seat of sceduled ops right off the bat, certainly not to your mecca of 'Southwest'.....but that leads me to my next observation.
- Oh my god !!!!!!!!!! Skywest captain upgrades have plummeted to an unbearable 5 years of experience ?
You clearly paint the foundation of your dissatisafaction by another demonstration of the warped expectations that seem to be so pevelent among the newer pilots in the industry today and that's the crux of my argument; it's that you're feeding this crap to the next generation so they can arrive with expectations and priorities just as out of whack as yours, setting them up for anger and disappointment.
Your original post was about convincing new pilots NOT to fly for regional carriers, period. It's this philosophy that the regionals are nothing more then a slum for kids to come to, become airline captains in 1.5 years (now apparently seasoned veteran professionals), get their magical 1000 hours PIC, take a dump and quickly leave before having to smell the odor of their own excrement.................and if the slums can't meet that obscene purpose anymore, they're worthless places of employment or resources for advancement. Publicly spreading this philosophy does nothing but leave a foul odor in your wake for other to have to tolerate, but I see things clearly now.........you believe your "Southwest" bound and soon will be living the good life.
I'm glad you apparently didn't have to make the sacrifices others have or will and that quick upgrades and perhaps splashy 737's are in your world, but I think you'd have appreciated things a bit more if you had to work a little harder to get there. Hard work, obstacles, setbacks and imperfection are part of life and the ideal that experiencing any of these to get to the prize in this profession makes it something to avoid does nothing for anybody, but indoctinate a new group of people to continue this dysfunction.
BTW...........either you knew about the schedule realities of being an airline pilot or you did a poor job of due dilligence. If it's the former, I cannot undertand the complaining and if the latter............well, who's fault is that ?
Post #202 and #215 must be from different people with the same screen name..............................ah, well.
I find is somewhat shocking to note you were promoted to Captain of a turbojet powered regional airliner in 18 months.................AND ARE COMPLAINING !
I can think of hundreds of pilots............er, strike that...............thousands.........er, strike that too................TENS OF THOUSANDS of pilots here at Eagle, stagnating at other regionals or UNEMPLOYED on the street, who'd love to be where you are now.
I can think of a few million people out there jobless without health care to add to that.
A couple of observations here;
- Part 121 "barbiejet" SIC time means a lot to civilian pilots in part 91 operations with little or no multi time and few places that would put them into the left seat of sceduled ops right off the bat, certainly not to your mecca of 'Southwest'.....but that leads me to my next observation.
- Oh my god !!!!!!!!!! Skywest captain upgrades have plummeted to an unbearable 5 years of experience ?
You clearly paint the foundation of your dissatisafaction by another demonstration of the warped expectations that seem to be so pevelent among the newer pilots in the industry today and that's the crux of my argument; it's that you're feeding this crap to the next generation so they can arrive with expectations and priorities just as out of whack as yours, setting them up for anger and disappointment.
Your original post was about convincing new pilots NOT to fly for regional carriers, period. It's this philosophy that the regionals are nothing more then a slum for kids to come to, become airline captains in 1.5 years (now apparently seasoned veteran professionals), get their magical 1000 hours PIC, take a dump and quickly leave before having to smell the odor of their own excrement.................and if the slums can't meet that obscene purpose anymore, they're worthless places of employment or resources for advancement. Publicly spreading this philosophy does nothing but leave a foul odor in your wake for other to have to tolerate, but I see things clearly now.........you believe your "Southwest" bound and soon will be living the good life.
I'm glad you apparently didn't have to make the sacrifices others have or will and that quick upgrades and perhaps splashy 737's are in your world, but I think you'd have appreciated things a bit more if you had to work a little harder to get there. Hard work, obstacles, setbacks and imperfection are part of life and the ideal that experiencing any of these to get to the prize in this profession makes it something to avoid does nothing for anybody, but indoctinate a new group of people to continue this dysfunction.
BTW...........either you knew about the schedule realities of being an airline pilot or you did a poor job of due dilligence. If it's the former, I cannot undertand the complaining and if the latter............well, who's fault is that ?
Last edited by eaglefly; 12-21-2009 at 06:57 AM.
12-21-2009, 06:50 AM
#212
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There was a period when Skywest was in an expansion mode and many of our newer F/O's had little invested in Eagle and shot craps...........some won, some lost. Few, if any are leaving now obviously. Additionally, many are wiser and know that the carrot dangled today can disappear tomorrow............because it already has.
12-21-2009, 06:56 AM
#213
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Alright guys, lets try and keep this thread on topic. While I love a good fight, maybe ya'll should start a new thread over the "peril" of the regional job. Anyone heard any rumors of another vac bid? I got screwed with my class date for the crj and I would like to go to the emj.
What happened with your CRJ class date ?
12-21-2009, 07:18 AM
#214
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And what was with the latest flowplan having training dates for Dec 2010/Jan 2011. I really doubt they can plan that far ahead while claiming this will be the only disp/vac bid of 2010
12-21-2009, 04:15 PM
#215
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 510
The Average age of an American Airlines Pilot is 56, Yes Average! I have never seen and American Pilot that does not have Grey hair! That basically means out of about 10k pilots, 5k of them are over 56. Yes, I agree regionals are taking major routes which brings the industry down, but that number doesn't lie. Even with all their furloughs, I would bet that American will be hiring in a few years.
and while we are talking numbers - only 200 CA's retire at AE in the next 10 yrs. Barring massive expansion, hardly likely with asm caps, the yearly upgrade prognostications are meaningless. There is no magical number of years served that translate into an upgrade. AE needs the FO's to fill out the seniority list but no one wants to be that guy.
The only meaninful measure can be found on the AE ALPA website which calculates seniority based on age attrition. It amazes me that eagle pilots have not used this to get a better grasp of reality at AE.
BTW JD... is closer to being right than Eaglefly. Sorry - looks at the numbers. You will sacrifice your family plain and simple.
12-21-2009, 04:45 PM
#216
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hold on there my mathematical friend - the avg age at AA is 50.5.
and while we are talking numbers - only 200 CA's retire at AE in the next 10 yrs. Barring massive expansion, hardly likely with asm caps, the yearly upgrade prognostications are meaningless. There is no magical number of years served that translate into an upgrade. AE needs the FO's to fill out the seniority list but no one wants to be that guy.
The only meaninful measure can be found on the AE ALPA website which calculates seniority based on age attrition. It amazes me that eagle pilots have not used this to get a better grasp of reality at AE.
BTW JD... is closer to being right than Eaglefly. Sorry - looks at the numbers. You will sacrifice your family plain and simple.
and while we are talking numbers - only 200 CA's retire at AE in the next 10 yrs. Barring massive expansion, hardly likely with asm caps, the yearly upgrade prognostications are meaningless. There is no magical number of years served that translate into an upgrade. AE needs the FO's to fill out the seniority list but no one wants to be that guy.
The only meaninful measure can be found on the AE ALPA website which calculates seniority based on age attrition. It amazes me that eagle pilots have not used this to get a better grasp of reality at AE.
BTW JD... is closer to being right than Eaglefly. Sorry - looks at the numbers. You will sacrifice your family plain and simple.
My guess is for the relatively few slots available in the industry, the lowly CFI or poor sap slugging it out in a beat up Aztec all night flying freight, would do well with 121 turbojet time.
No one says a pilot has to STAY at Eagle for any length of time.
12 months and then if the industry opens up, other choices are available..........or they can stay CFI's or feight dogs (if they live long enough) and take a shot in 12 months or more. So, the ideal that coming to Eagle (or any regional) during this time of industry stagnation from a theoretical lower rung in the profession is a plain and simple bad idea is not true and the statement that it is automatically a "sacrifice" for ones family is just as misguided and false.
"Plain and simple" ?
Hardly.
12-21-2009, 05:12 PM
#219
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My point : GA pilots with little multi and no airline experience shouldn't necessarily pass up a regional (or Eagle) because it will somehow sacrifice their families vs. staying in instructing or freight.
It simply isn't true.
The "realities" at Eagle are demonstrated by those that DO upgrade. Like you agree, the overwhelming majority are staying and plan to stay...........and the "asm caps" (shrinkage) that you hinge your philosophy on is rooted in a reality that is virtually certain to be busted in the future.................the relaxation of scope.
12-21-2009, 05:19 PM
#220
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 218
Aside from the fact, we're deviating off topic again, you lost me on what your point is.
..........and the "asm caps" (shrinkage) that you hinge your philosophy on is rooted in a reality that is virtually certain to be busted in the future.................the relaxation of scope.
..........and the "asm caps" (shrinkage) that you hinge your philosophy on is rooted in a reality that is virtually certain to be busted in the future.................the relaxation of scope.
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