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10-29-2008, 07:48 AM
#32
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10-29-2008, 09:13 AM
#33
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Bottom line. . .
Our MEC, and specifically the two junior members who are recommending this. . . shouldn't even be suggesting it right now.
Two years from an amendable date on our contract, and they want US as a pilot group to come to the table with them and management to bring PBS on property PRIOR to a contract amendable date?
YGTBSM.
Heads will need to roll boys and girls. This is an utter slap in all of our faces. We perhaps HAD PBS as a bargaining chip, and every day our MEC and union officers continue to allow management to think we are going to give a concession before our amendable date is up that bargaining chip keeps getting smaller and smaller.
Wait two years - then let's talk. Even if it means taking 5 years to get a contract again, albeit, I wasn't around for the past 5 year nightmare, but I for one will NEVER agree to a concession prior to a contract becoming amendable. It's a personal decision, and I sure as hell hope I'm not the only one.
Our MEC, and specifically the two junior members who are recommending this. . . shouldn't even be suggesting it right now.
Two years from an amendable date on our contract, and they want US as a pilot group to come to the table with them and management to bring PBS on property PRIOR to a contract amendable date?
YGTBSM.
Heads will need to roll boys and girls. This is an utter slap in all of our faces. We perhaps HAD PBS as a bargaining chip, and every day our MEC and union officers continue to allow management to think we are going to give a concession before our amendable date is up that bargaining chip keeps getting smaller and smaller.
Wait two years - then let's talk. Even if it means taking 5 years to get a contract again, albeit, I wasn't around for the past 5 year nightmare, but I for one will NEVER agree to a concession prior to a contract becoming amendable. It's a personal decision, and I sure as hell hope I'm not the only one.
10-29-2008, 12:31 PM
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So now that we have a couple of explanations on what PBS is and basically how it works, can anyone explain what makes this type of bidding so incredibly cost effective to the company opposed to the Line bidding system we are currently under? I mean, we still have all of the trip rigs, min day, duty rigs, ETC that they have to build your schedule by and all of the hours to be flown each month have to be flown and paid the same. So what is it that makes this tool so valuable to the company? Someone mentioned something about the staffing and furloughs but ASA has a pretty neat "no furlough" clause and there are about 100 or so people that aren't eligible for that. All of those pilots would be the cheapest of their labor and are probably all on reserve. Of course I'm not singling anyone out but that is the bottom line.
10-29-2008, 01:33 PM
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So now that we have a couple of explanations on what PBS is and basically how it works, can anyone explain what makes this type of bidding so incredibly cost effective to the company opposed to the Line bidding system we are currently under? I mean, we still have all of the trip rigs, min day, duty rigs, ETC that they have to build your schedule by and all of the hours to be flown each month have to be flown and paid the same. So what is it that makes this tool so valuable to the company? Someone mentioned something about the staffing and furloughs but ASA has a pretty neat "no furlough" clause and there are about 100 or so people that aren't eligible for that. All of those pilots would be the cheapest of their labor and are probably all on reserve. Of course I'm not singling anyone out but that is the bottom line.
10-29-2008, 05:23 PM
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It's all in what we negotiate, folks. Nobody said this was going to be a concession (in fact I will personally start a recall drive for the reps if they try to pass off a concession to us when there's no reason to). Keep in mind the reason PBS sucks at most airlines is because it was shoved down their throats at the end of bankruptcy with little negotiation and preparation. It's no secret that the two airlines with the best PBS system (DL and NW) were the last to go through BK and therefore had the benefit of learning from everybody else's mistakes.
The company asked the union to "negotiate" for PBS. However, since we are not in Section 6, the union can leave at any point if they don't like the way things are going. There is no requirement that we have to get a deal out of this, all they are doing (from what I can gather) is sitting down and talking to the company and seeing if it makes sense.
10-30-2008, 07:35 AM
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PBS will get rid of integration days because there will be no scheduling conflicts transitioning from the end of the month to the beginning. It also schedules around vacations so you don't have to drop trips when your trip touches your vacation like in line bidding. It schedules more efficiently so there will be less open time, and less need for reserve. Overall it allow an airline to operate with a smaller group due to more efficient scheduling software, saving the company millions.
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