mccube5

let's make sure we keep things in perspective before the flaming really begins in this thread.

if i had a dollar for everytime this RAH Alaska rumor comes up i could probably retire early and rich. you hear it every couple weeks, and at this point i would say any regional has a chance of picking up flying if Alaska mgmt decides to outsource it.

Beechlover

I disagree. It's been proven time and time and time again.., that management in MANY airlines throught the history of comercial aviation does what it wants..., regardless of contract..., regardless of ethics..., most definately regardless of it's pilots opinion, wishes, or desires.., ie we have ZERO..., I'll say it again.., ZERO input as to what contracts, deals, or agreements our respective airline makes. Trust me when I say we, the RAH pilot group are no happier about the midwest deal thatn the midwest pilots. Did that change anything? nope, do you think if our vote actually counted in this, it would've happened at all? It sure didn't save me from getting furoughd so I'll squash that argument right now.

In fact I challenge anybody.., please come up with any example of how pilots at an airline participated in the management's decision making process with regard to contractual decisions. Not talking about greavances or injunctions or work actions.., I'm talking about actual vote counting decisions that it's pilots took part in while employed in a part 121 airline where a decision to enter into a contract involving future aircarrier operations. Short scope and CBA, I'd be willingto bet that that mechanism doesn't exist. We fly from point a to b and that folks is about ALL I can see we have control over. I could be way off base here with my "pilot's" soda straw perspective of the universe but I think I'm pretty close. Just something to consider when we vent misguided gripes at each other.

Now back to the Alaska and RAH discussion ; )

duvie

If Alaska doesn't want their flying outsourced then they need to vote to change their scope. PERIOD. Regionals respond to RFPs, they are businesses and we are their pawns and like Rickair said, we don't have a choice unless we want to lose our jobs.

I will say this once more just in case anybody missed it: the regional race to the bottom was started by mainliners voting away their scope. I don't know their reasons for voting yes, but I know for some airlines management said: we'll give you that 10% pay increase across the board if you raise the scope from 50 seat jets to 76 seaters. I don't think most mainline guys had any idea what their vote meant at the time, but here we are.

Splanky

The scope clause is a big point we are working on with the Horizon contract and I know it is a big issue for the Alaska pilots as well. Everyone got concerned when Alaska managers got rid of the ramp workers and hired menzies to replace them.

ToiletDuck

Let me put it to you like this. When both pilot groups first hear about the deals being made in press releases then there's no reason for anyone to sling mud at a group.

rickkane

step up and be accountable for your company's actions and quit making excuses.

Killer51883

yeah because 2nd year fo's can hold managment accountable for picking up more flying. i would love to know who you work for if its a company that allows their pilots to vote on the company's transactions.

Mason32

I'll revise the previous statement:

JungleBus

Honestly, I think most everyone in the industry realizes regional pilots have very little to do with the deals our companies make. That said, anytime you have a regional pilot gloating over new flying that came at the expense of a major or higher-paid regional with no regard for the larger consequences throughout the industry, it makes everyone else think "that's exactly the kind of person who'd gladly take a paycut for more growth."

Those happy that good things are happening at their company when it results in others' misfortune are best advised to keep their thoughts to themselves lest they be thought a douchebag.

frankwasright

Ok,you first-account for Mesa dismantling CCAir.