ToiletDuck

I agree that in the case you mentioned it didn't turn out well. I also agree that this isn't good for either pilot group. The two are different animals. BB is simply trying to keep his aircraft flying and I don't blame him for the trying to do so. I wish like no other that this situation wasn't happening and I'll never change that opinion. As far as the Midwest rally goes I wanted to be there and planned on it however my schedule changed and I was sitting in a hotel with an early show the next morning. Stop acting as if I'm pushing for them to lose their jobs. I've never stated that and I've never pushed for that. I know it and those that read here know it as well. You should see it as that as well and if you don't then fine but those are big accusations to make with no backing. I've said I don't support it and that's important. You show me where I did then we'll talk. I have no problem owning up to what I believe in. I don't need you putting a spin on my words because you don't understand where I'm coming from. I don't know how many times I need to say I'm against this move for you to understand I'm against this move. You're making it a blindsided argument that because I think BB is a good CEO that I support this deal. That it's either all or none. I don't feel that way. I look at his financial decisions and he appears to know what he's doing. From getting the 170s on property and the gates associated with them, positioning himself with Frontier for future business or assets, constant expansion of the company through past years, increased market share, increased balance sheet, etc. He continues to bring in a profit every quarter even with the industry the way it is. His performance speaks for himself.

I'm not a Yankees fan by any means either but they're still a good ball club. Doesn't mean I support them just means their 26 world series wins speak for themselves and I acknowledge that. You'd say "You support the yankees you said they were good". Not one and the same. Astros for the win.

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IMHO

I would have to agree, we all know that the job of the CEO of any company is to increase the value of the company and make the share holders happy. As our current law states, it is illegal to act in a way that would drive down stock prices or in any way diminish the value of a corporation.

A CEO MUST act in a way that protects his/her employee groups from furloughs and job insecurity. Using this criteria BB is indeed a good CEO. Fortunately for RAH, this is a business NOT a popularity contest. BB's job is to secure his company's future first. It is not to make sure everyone in the industry is happy with his every move. Out of curiousity, what is the industry consensus on SWA moving into MSP, causing Sun Country to go bankrupt, or possibly liquidate? Shall we plan a march to protest the hundreds of potential Sun Country jobs that will be lost? And no I have nothing against SWA, my point is, is that people choose to get upset over somethings, but when its another more popular company or CEO like Gary Kelley, well then its all good.

Bond

Apples to oranges in this case. SWA is simply being competitive and moving THEIR aircraft and THEIR pilots into a new market, any airline can do that at any time. No matter how many spins you put on it, at the end of the day the Midwest deal is cancerous for the whole industry. If it goes through it could set a precedent for future deals with other major partners where a regional airline DIRECTLY replaces employees and equipment.

You guys simply don't equate the fact that short term profit deals at the expense of labor groups have never worked long term. In that BB is no different than Lorenzo...trying to make a dime at the expense of another pilot group. I never saw Bethune or Herb for that matter conduct such shady deals to keep the airline profitable. If you don't thnk this deal will eventually back fire and affect everyone at both companies and industry wide, you're not seeing things for what they really are.

DLAJ77

I agree with you bond. Republic in racing to the bottom. Kinda sucks cause people used to respect the group. Things have definitly changed the last couple months

IMHO

So I knew a lady who drove a huge SUV, then gas prices went to 4.29 a gallon. After a few weeks of paying those prices, she traded in her SUV for a Hyundai Sonata. As i see it, Midwest had a SUV and they were hemoraging cash. They needed an IMMEDIATE change. They couldnt afford to buy a more cost effective aircraft and shut down half of their operation while the pilot group and the MX got aquainted with the 170. (No one ever brings up the fact that this is a temporary gig for RAH as it stands right now) And so they got rid of the SUV and decided to take the bus for a year until they could afford the Hyundai. Turns out, RAH had a bus line that rode right by the house, and guess what, the bus driver (BB) decided to loan YX a down payment for the future purchase of the Hyundai. Just what would have been a better alternative for YX? There are never any solutions tossed around on this board. Just ridicule. What does a cashed strapped airline do to save money? Raise prices? cut labor cost? Go A La Carte? Lease cheaper airplanes? cross your fingers and pray for fuel prices to go down? Solutions people. What are the solutions.

one last thing...This isnt a short term profit anything...this is a gamble taken by BB in hopes that YX doesnt go belly up. Because if they do, chances are RAH loses all of their investment.

G-Dog

Can we get a separate thread for Bond and T-Duck. They can argue the same points they always argue there.

Holy Toledo

Yesterday's golden child is tomorrow's *****, that's how it's been for years and years. You never know who's next.

DLAJ77

true story. Just the other day chatauqua mainline FO heavy 170 driver pilot X boards USAirways E190 for dead head. Pilot X looks at USAir captain and says thanks for stealing our routes!!! Wow just Wow

UPS1856

Someone a little bitter they didn't get hired at RP?

DLAJ77

LOL...you dont have alot of spare time on your hands. Guess i got lucky a year ago