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Old 09-28-2008, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by kersplatt
Don't be surprised if a particular login name disappears and a new person appears with the same attitude.
what gets me is he(Burflyer) had his old airline on here (position under screenname) till he got furloughed, then he changed position immediately to furloughed, now that he has been at GoJet for several weeks it still says furloughed....not as proud of taking that job after all the trash talking you did about it as you would like us to think?? Same goes for Willie
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Old 09-28-2008, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I specifically remember that move days went away after 2003...was that part of the contract, or did Andy and Co. just decide to give that up spontaneously?
My understanding is the loss of move days was not actually purposefully conceded, but rather an oversight that the negotiating committee @ Mesa missed - they gave it up unknowingly. Thus, I don't classify it as a concession, but rather as an oversight. Concessions have to be given deliberately, as far as I understand the word to mean (yeah, I looked it up in some dictionaries). None the less, I will concede that move days were in the old Mesa contract, but not the new one, and that this was a net loss of a benefit.

There was a grievance on the issue of something that was lost in the contract (I've forgotten what, I don't have a copy of the Mesa contract), and it was found by the arbitrator that a member of the Mesa negotiating committee was given a copy of the new contract with all of the changes highlighted in yellow. This member of the negotiating committee simply missed it. The grievance came about b/c the CBA that was signed by both Mesa and ALPA contained the 'new' language, but the CBA that was distributed to all of the pilots did not contain this new language, but rather had the old language, and the company did not dispute it for years. I'd guess that ALPA had the grievance won, and Mesa didn't even know about the oversight until they caught it in intense research - Mesa was just violating the contract, and then found a way to justify it after the fact.

Yet another time that the Mesa pilots had failure snatched from the jaws of victory. Hopefully lessons were learned.

Last edited by Sniper; 09-28-2008 at 05:21 PM. Reason: I would have edited my original post to reflect 'rickair7777's post, but the site will not allow me to do so.
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