higney85

I wholeheartedly would support this... The only obstacle (and also the reason I think this has never happened) is................................................ .................................................. ........................... How do you start the list?- There is no way that 60K pilots would come to agreement on a fair "seniority integration".

flynavyj

DOH into union, or DOH at first 121 gig, or Consecutive years of 121 time, etc.....all options

Here was my thought though, if we have a national senority list, and you're able to keep longevity as you move company to company, there would be the potential for an employer to not hire a person based on their years of accured senority. While a guy might get hired on at United, get fed up with united, and put a resume in to Delta, there'd be nothing forcing Delta to give this guy full consideration, as hiring him at say 15 years senority would be a nightmare for management, why do that, when you can hire someone else with two years senority from some regional who meets mins. Could be counterproductive.

SrfNFly227

That is false. We have not had a person sent there right out of training since the class that started March 3. I personally was in the March 17 training class and right now I am slated to be the third most Junior person in ATL when I move in October.

I am going to try and stay civil with this response. I don't know you or your personal circumstances and you do not know mine. Please do not try to act as if you do. I graduated HS 8 years ago, college 4 years ago. I spent time as in instructor and an aerial survey pilot before I made the jump to fly jets. This move was made with a charter company that went out of business in February. I was furloughed as a result and came to Pinnacle because of strong flying contracts, the bases making sense for my commute, and the fact that we were hiring in such a rush as to get people below me quickly (job security was big on my list) While I understand that one company receiving flying would probably result in another company's losing some, I am happy to not be losing another job this year. I was not screaming "YEAH, We are getting more flying". I was simply adding my opinion on a rumor, and I was adding it in a forum titled "Pinnacle".

20sx

LOL, if you think some are mad at us now for all the "huge" increases in flying we're getting, wait until we get a new contract. Half will be mad for being happy for getting a new one and the other half will be mad because it's not a good enough contract (and it never will be for that half).

There is no winning when misery wants company...

Spooled

He was Pinnacle's Chief Pilot.
And half the list in ATL has seniority numbers greater than 1000. That longevity is less than 1 year. I would call them junior.

HIREME

I think you'd have to give up say 1.5years/year of service of seniority (or 2years per) to switch companies. There'd have to be some benefit still of being loyal to a company. For instance, you've been with United for 10yrs. and want to leave for delta, then when you start at Delta, you start with 7.5 years of seniority (or 5 if you go with 2yrs/year). It would make switching better than it is now, but not so easy that everyone's jumping around and companies are having their training costs skyrocket

nicholasblonde

Very true...and there are people on that fo list for whom this is the first job after high school. I know them.

The fact is, I know tons of FOs who rationalize a move to ATL for reasons such as commuting, pay, blah blah blah, when in fact they've just got SJS "cool, a bigger jet that's more shiny than the 200!!!"

The poster with the charter experience will be the exception, not the rule on the FO list.

And all these people keep trying to justify how it's easier to commute and more pay, but they will be on airport reserve foreer in ATL, and the pay difference is a wash when you consider one can fly 90ish in MEM and DTW, but you will never break guarantee in ATL. And you can get hispeeds in MEM and DTW very junior, but you won't in ATL. So there is no way at this point in time to justify that it's more commutable (or for the forseeable future, since all the new vacancies are going senior)

ATL9E

Who exactly would anybody have to "justify" anything to?

Why would you have to "rationalize" reasons for wanting to be Atlanta based?

Would the fact that someone LIVES there be good enough of a reason for you? Or would you still tell them to commute to another base?

Here how about this -- I know quite a few of us that -- given a choice of cities to actually move to and live in base, many people would say that Atlanta is a no-brainer over the other bases... especially DTW.

higney85

Mem folks won't be breaking 80 hours in sept. I considered atl and a move there to get out of living in Mem but the schedules looked bad. I bid very well in Mem but the atl scheds just aren't there yet. The latest bid went very senior for Atlanta although the previous bids were junior.

nicholasblonde

If we're talking about living in domicile, or talking about someone more senior, then heck yeah, ATL is a great choice.

I was merely expressing disapproval of a few junior jetu-ers who went there to fly the bigger a/c for what was at the time an equal payrate, when it would mean a WORSE commute and a WORSE sched...because that type of mentality (I want to fly the bigger plane, even if my pay and QOL is less) hurts the industry in the long run.