Uniform Poll
07-31-2008, 12:35 PM
#33
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Equating the uniform with being a professional is ridiculous. Professionalism is a state of mind and a way of presenting yourself...regardless of what clothing you're wearing. You can be a professional in your underpants. My doctor once came in to see me wearing her pajama bottoms and a pair of flip flops...was she any less of a knowledgable doctor? No. Did I think any less of her as a professional?
Hey, seriously man, I agree - professionalism is about the way you present yourself. And one of the ways you can present yourself well is to WEAR A UNIFORM.
07-31-2008, 12:44 PM
#34
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Equating the uniform with being a professional is ridiculous. Professionalism is a state of mind and a way of presenting yourself...regardless of what clothing you're wearing. You can be a professional in your underpants. My doctor once came in to see me wearing her pajama bottoms and a pair of flip flops...was she any less of a knowledgable doctor? No. Did I think any less of her as a professional? No. Did I think she lacked a little fashion sense? Maybe.
The uniform was introduced to give passengers an identifiable, recognizable apperance that made them feel comfortable. Whether they equate that with professionalism is debatable. Today we all look like valets, skycaps, TSA, etc. The uniform is pretty much a worthless display now that everyone wears one just like ours.
I would vote for khaki pants and polo shirts...some sort of business casual. I would also go for blue jeans and a t-shirt with epaulets printed on it. I really don't care. I know what I'm capable of and I know what my job is. I can do it the same way regardless of wearing a cheap shirt from VF Imagewear or naked. I'm a professional in any clothing.
The uniform was introduced to give passengers an identifiable, recognizable apperance that made them feel comfortable. Whether they equate that with professionalism is debatable. Today we all look like valets, skycaps, TSA, etc. The uniform is pretty much a worthless display now that everyone wears one just like ours.
I would vote for khaki pants and polo shirts...some sort of business casual. I would also go for blue jeans and a t-shirt with epaulets printed on it. I really don't care. I know what I'm capable of and I know what my job is. I can do it the same way regardless of wearing a cheap shirt from VF Imagewear or naked. I'm a professional in any clothing.
When I was a kid I didnt care. But now when you go ANYWHERE and you meet people, guess what? The first impression they get will be based off your looks.
07-31-2008, 01:24 PM
#36
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The way you dress says a lot about you, and what you do... it s just the way it is...
so we look like bus drivers in our uniform, so what we should do is switch to blue jeans and T-shirts... great, now we'll look like pizza boys!
First impressions are important! I know I wouldnt want my kids surgeon show up with pajama bottoms and flip flops the day I meet her.... It does matter to me, sorry
07-31-2008, 01:29 PM
#38
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Guess what if you are a professional you are going to look good in anything you wear uniform or not. Though I do believe there needs to be some uniformity within a company on what you wear. Nice khaki pants and a polo shirt would do.
07-31-2008, 02:30 PM
#39
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We've all seen how terrible some people can make the traditional uniform look. What makes you think an alternative uniform would be any different?
The slackers out there would not press the slacks, not shine the shoes, and leave the "polo shirts" rolled up in their roller bags until 30 min before show time. After 6 months of use in the cockpit (and washing), the shirts would begin to fade and fray.
No one would replace their shirts, stating "they don't pay me to look like a professional," and complaining that the company doesn't provide the shirts. Same song and dance that everyone sings right now.
Think how the average high school student wears the public school uniforms.
The net result would be pilots lowering themselves a notch in the public eye. News flash guys: we don't have many notches left until were on the bottom rung.
Let's not reduce ourselves to what some of the ugly, poorly dressed business travelers we carry look like.
The slackers out there would not press the slacks, not shine the shoes, and leave the "polo shirts" rolled up in their roller bags until 30 min before show time. After 6 months of use in the cockpit (and washing), the shirts would begin to fade and fray.
No one would replace their shirts, stating "they don't pay me to look like a professional," and complaining that the company doesn't provide the shirts. Same song and dance that everyone sings right now.
Think how the average high school student wears the public school uniforms.
The net result would be pilots lowering themselves a notch in the public eye. News flash guys: we don't have many notches left until were on the bottom rung.
Let's not reduce ourselves to what some of the ugly, poorly dressed business travelers we carry look like.
07-31-2008, 02:45 PM
#40
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Look, I find the uniform a bit of a pain in the nexk at times myself. Before we go offering more concessions if they let us wear business casual lets consider a few things. Anybody with any military experience, or law enforcement experience will be the first to tell you about command presence and the instant increase in authority it provides when dealing with non-uniformed personnel. That being said, putting a uniform on an idiot does not improve things, it does however provide a higher starting point from which to command respect, and excercise command authority with little or no objection.
Starting into a situation in a polo shirt and dockers does not provide ANY advantage whatsoever.
Our uniform sets us apart from the pax, the gate agents, the bag handlers, and even the managers. Anybody can run a ticket counter, anybody can throw a bag into a cargo hold, a rip the zippers off, and anybody can go to college and get an MBA.... very very very few in this world progress to holding an ATP certificate flying transport category aircraft.
Do we belong in uniform; YES !
PS - the crappy uniforms showing up lately from places like VirginAmerica, jetBlue, the gone but not forgotten Skybus and places like that do nothing for our profession.
Starting into a situation in a polo shirt and dockers does not provide ANY advantage whatsoever.
Our uniform sets us apart from the pax, the gate agents, the bag handlers, and even the managers. Anybody can run a ticket counter, anybody can throw a bag into a cargo hold, a rip the zippers off, and anybody can go to college and get an MBA.... very very very few in this world progress to holding an ATP certificate flying transport category aircraft.
Do we belong in uniform; YES !
PS - the crappy uniforms showing up lately from places like VirginAmerica, jetBlue, the gone but not forgotten Skybus and places like that do nothing for our profession.
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