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Old 08-23-2016, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 135Pilot
I had seen the DOH for the flowing pilots right now was around 2001. How does PDT expect to see a 3-5 year flow when the pilots flowing now have waited well over a decade?
Piedmont has only had a flow deal for around 2 years at most....before that there was no hope of flow....it was all Turboprop lifers content telling everyone how superior the Dash 8 was.
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Old 08-23-2016, 12:23 PM
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3-5 is way too optimistic. My best guess is 7 years for a new hire if things go well. Of course, that is always subject to change.
I heard American was going to be hiring off the street next year as well, so keep that in mind. It's too bad there wasn't some language in the contract to stop that from happening, then we'd see some real movement.
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Old 08-23-2016, 12:28 PM
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I heard American was going to be hiring off the street next year as well, so keep that in mind. It's too bad there wasn't some language in the contract to stop that from happening, then we'd see some real movement.
Hiring from the street will only replace the recalls. The classes will still probably be 50% Flows. You'll either need to be military or have some good contacts. Because after the flow default it will be HIGHLY competitive.
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Old 08-23-2016, 01:50 PM
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When I spoke with recruiters, they said Piedmont is flowing 3 (soon to be 4) a month and Piedmont can't restrict that until 2025. Can American Airlines restrict the flow? Does American have to be hiring for flows to keep moving up?
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Originally Posted by 135Pilot
When I spoke with recruiters, they said Piedmont is flowing 3 (soon to be 4) a month and Piedmont can't restrict that until 2025. Can American Airlines restrict the flow? Does American have to be hiring for flows to keep moving up?
They won't restrict it because it's a recruitment tool. If there was ever a time to come to Piedmont it's probably right now.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 135Pilot
When I spoke with recruiters, they said Piedmont is flowing 3 (soon to be 4) a month and Piedmont can't restrict that until 2025. Can American Airlines restrict the flow? Does American have to be hiring for flows to keep moving up?
The language in the Piedmont flow agreement is extremely clear on this matter. AA cannot restrict the Piedmont flow so long as they have new hire classes.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:24 PM
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The language in the Piedmont flow agreement is extremely clear on this matter. AA cannot restrict the Piedmont flow so long as they have new hire classes.
Well, they can restrict it. They can do whatever they want. A contract with a regional carrier isn't worth the paper that it is written on.

They can stop it at any time. It will go to arbitration, but that can last for 2 years or more. The arbitrator will eventually find in favor of the pilots, but then the company will offer a settlement.

Look at the history of Airways management and how they do things.

There are absolutely no guarantees.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
Well, they can restrict it. They can do whatever they want. A contract with a regional carrier isn't worth the paper that it is written on.

They can stop it at any time. It will go to arbitration, but that can last for 2 years or more. The arbitrator will eventually find in favor of the pilots, but then the company will offer a settlement.

Look at the history of Airways management and how they do things.

There are absolutely no guarantees.
Of course there's no guarantees ever. However I can guarantee you if the flow were to stop then so would people coming to their WO's. That's not what they want anytime soon however.
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Old 08-23-2016, 05:02 PM
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Are PDT pilots getting hired at other airlines? Or do most guys stick around for the flow?
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Old 08-23-2016, 06:02 PM
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rumor from HR/training is that they are losing 7/mo attrition and 3 soon 4/mo flow. first sep class will be the 4 trigger. so yes people are still leaving w/o flow. six people in newest class. this is every two weeks. they're covering attrition and barely growing.

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