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Old 07-21-2016, 04:31 AM
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If I had to guess, they leave the seat lock on long enough to justify putting new hires in the jet. Then take it off again because of staffing concerns.
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84
Hahaha good luck in that "fight to the death." The funny part is that nobody at envoy is really worried about any sort of merger. Some will win, some will lose, but in the end our flow spots (higher ratio, at that) are ours and ours alone. Plus we're about 5 times the size of you, sooooo good luck with that
It's not the size of the list, it's how you use it...never mind you can't reason with a brainwashed Envoy. You know it all!
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84
Hahaha good luck in that "fight to the death." The funny part is that nobody at envoy is really worried about any sort of merger. Some will win, some will lose, but in the end our flow spots (higher ratio, at that) are ours and ours alone. Plus we're about 5 times the size of you, sooooo good luck with that
LOL, like size matters? Guess you thought size mattered when dealing with Douggie and how'd that work out for ya?

If there's a merger they will combine the list DOH and the flow would continue with those dates of hire. That's it!! Period End. Nobody is special here.
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:50 AM
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LOL, like size matters? Guess you thought size mattered when dealing with Douggie and how'd that work out for ya?

If there's a merger they will combine the list DOH and the flow would continue with those dates of hire. That's it!! Period End. Nobody is special here.
Who is they? Have you even read ALPAs merger policy?
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Who is they? Have you even read ALPAs merger policy?
Yes, we merged with ALG back in the day. Straight date of hire. It's a regional and nobody is flying 777's.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:03 PM
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Yes, we merged with ALG back in the day. Straight date of hire. It's a regional and nobody is flying 777's.
And the policy has changed since then.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
And the policy has changed since then.
Changed? Envoy gotta protect it's widebodies? LOL Too funny!
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Changed? Envoy gotta protect it's widebodies? LOL Too funny!
From 2009:

There are two ways to imple-
ment ALPA merger policy. Under
one method, the involved MECs
may determine “at any time”
that it is in the best interests
of their members to enter into
agreements that provide a
process by which the MECs will
negotiate a new joint contract
and decide on procedures to integrate their seniority lists.

The new policy states
that the factors that must be considered in constructing a
fair and equitable integrated seniority list, in no particular
order and with no particular weight, now include but are
not limited to career expectations, longevity, and status
and category.

It won't be a simple date of hire integration especially when a flow is involved and since the age of the pilot group differs as much as it does with the 3 companies.
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Old 07-21-2016, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PapaUniform
This is not true. Read LOA 19 again. An FO is only exempt from the lock if he upgrades "in his current aircraft type." Page LOA 19-2.
Yea you're right, my bad.
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Old 07-21-2016, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BSOuthisplace
Yea you're right, my bad.
Basically a loo of the pilot group is now locked.
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